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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Toren

1st situation I definitely offer information.

2nd situation I'm staying clear

3rd situation if I'm close enough to sell that I had a great look, then I would offer information. If for some reason I'm long distance, I leave it alone.

Play #1: Judgement call; stay away and discuss the rule at half time or after game.

Play #3: Judgment call; stay away and discuss the play at half time or after game. See my original post.

In any case, they are all judgement calls, so stay out of it. Remember: a) Stay true to your line; b) Officiate your Primary; and c) Trust your Partner(s).

MTD, Sr.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Play #1: Judgement call; stay away and discuss the rule at half time or after game.

Play #3: Judgment call; stay away and discuss the play at half time or after game. See my original post.

In any case, they are all judgement calls, so stay out of it. Remember: a) Stay true to your line; b) Officiate your Primary; and c) Trust your Partner(s).

MTD, Sr.

I was picturing play #1 in the middle of the lane. In this case, I'm coming to get a held ball.

I misread #3 as if I was the C. I would never come over as the L in situation #3. Sorry for the confusion.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Play #1: Judgement call; stay away and discuss the rule at half time or after game.

Play #3: Judgment call; stay away and discuss the play at half time or after game. See my original post.

In any case, they are all judgement calls, so stay out of it. Remember: a) Stay true to your line; b) Officiate your Primary; and c) Trust your Partner(s).

MTD, Sr.

1989 mind-set

PCA means PRIMARY COVERAGE AREA not EXCLUSIVE COVERAGE AREA & if its your PRIMARY its probably someone elses SECONDARY.

TRUST YOUR PARTNERS but help em out when they are staightlined, when they dont position adjust, when they're looking where they shouldn't be & get the damn play right!

Nobody is losing by 1 point in my games because of the IC plays I described.
Talking about it after the game may help the official (who doesnt belong on the court this time of year if they dont know those basics) but it doesnt do justice to the GAME or the participants involved in the 1 point loss.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tref

Nobody is losing by 1 point in my games because of the IC plays I described.

Major problem with your thinking here. It is not YOUR game!

Originally Posted by tref

Talking about it after the game may help the official (who doesnt belong on the court this time of year if they dont know those basics) but it doesnt do justice to the GAME or the participants involved in the 1 point loss.

Might be a true statement, but this isn't for you to decide. Officials receive postseason assignments for all sorts of reasons. That is for those who are responsible for the assignment making or the design of the selection process. If those people don't like the decisions which certain officials make, then it is up to them to change who they select or the process itself. It is not the job of any one official working the contest to go over-rule the decisions of other officials on the court. Unfortunately, that seems to be the path that you have followed.
You can't officiate the whole court. There is a reason that basketball games are not assigned with only one official.
What about plays that are unseen by you during the contest? You need to learn to let others make decisions even if you don't like them. You don't get to make every call. That's just the way it is.

[MD Longhorn]

To Nevada: +1
To Tref - no offense sir, but there's a word used for officials that assume their calls from far away and out of position are automatically better than calls from his partner(s) from close up and IN position... That word is "arrogant". (And at least around here, another phrase that fits is "short career".)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tref

1989 mind-set

PCA means PRIMARY COVERAGE AREA not EXCLUSIVE COVERAGE AREA & if its your PRIMARY its probably someone elses SECONDARY.

TRUST YOUR PARTNERS but help em out when they are staightlined, when they dont position adjust, when they're looking where they shouldn't be & get the damn play right!

Nobody is losing by 1 point in my games because of the IC plays I described.
Talking about it after the game may help the official (who doesnt belong on the court this time of year if they dont know those basics) but it doesnt do justice to the GAME or the participants involved in the 1 point loss.

Tref:

1989 mind set!! Listen up whippersnapper! I have forgotten more about basketball officiating and still know more than you do about basketball officiating. You do not know the first thing about basketball officiating. You don't know difference between officiating your PCA and officiating Off Ball outside of your PCA. If you and I were on the same officiating crew and you tried to pull that horse manure with me, I would rip you a new tuchus at halftime.

MTD, Sr.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Tref:

1989 mind set!! Listen up whippersnapper! I have forgotten more about basketball officiating and still know more than you do about basketball officiating.

MTD, Sr. ftw.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

MTD, Sr. ftw.

Jugs:

I am getting senile. What is "ftw'? If you have to PM with your answer go ahead.

MTD, Sr.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Jugs:

I am getting senile. What is "ftw'? If you have to PM with your answer go ahead.

MTD, Sr.

ftw = for the win

Took me about a year to figure that out

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Toren

ftw = for the win

Took me about a year to figure that out

Toren:

Thank you.

MTD, Sr.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Tref:

1989 mind set!! Listen up whippersnapper! I have forgotten more about basketball officiating and still know more than you do about basketball officiating. You do not know the first thing about basketball officiating. You don't know difference between officiating your PCA and officiating Off Ball outside of your PCA. If you and I were on the same officiating crew and you tried to pull that horse manure with me, I would rip you a new tuchus at halftime.

MTD, Sr.

1. You never seen me work, so you're assumption of my abilities means nothing to me.
2. I would never be on any court with you as I have already graduated from your brand of basketball.

As for you doing anything to me physically... you really don't want to be labelled as an internt thug, do ya?? If you were talking verbally, I'd simply walk away as I do with most old timers that haven't camped in over a decade

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tref

2. I would never be on any court with you as I have already graduated from your brand of basketball.

I'd simply walk away as I do with most old timers that haven't camped in over a decade

Wow...

As one who can tell you flat out that I have worked levels of basketball that you have not made it to, this post right here tells me all I need to know about you.

The attitude expressed in that post will cost you in the future. At some point you will take that attitude toward someone and then find out that they are in a position to cause you grief.

Either lose the attitude, or expect that whatever championship it was that you worked will be the highest level you will make it to.

Disagree with people all you want. Argue rules, mechanics, positioning, call selection, etc., etc. But the BS you spewed in that post WILL hurt you if you don't get it under control and keep it under control.

[tref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow...

As one who can tell you flat out that I have worked levels of basketball that you have not made it to, this post right here tells me all I need to know about you.

The attitude expressed in that post will cost you in the future. At some point you will take that attitude toward someone and then find out that they are in a position to cause you grief.

Either lose the attitude, or expect that whatever championship it was that you worked will be the highest level you will make it to.

Disagree with people all you want. Argue rules, mechanics, positioning, call selection, etc., etc. But the BS you spewed in that post WILL hurt you if you don't get it under control and keep it under control.

Wow...

So Mark gets to blast me & quite frankly, threaten me over the internet, but I cannot retort. Okay

Isnt he the one that posts about 3rd grade games ALL the time??
I simply said I've graduated from his brand of basketball so we wouldn't be on the same court anytime soon. WTF?

Already made it past that C'Ship level the following summer, but thanks anyway

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tref

Wow...

So Mark gets to blast me & quite frankly, threaten me over the internet, but I cannot retort. Okay

Isnt he the one that posts about 3rd grade games ALL the time??
I simply said I've graduated from his brand of basketball so we wouldn't be on the same court anytime soon. WTF?

Already made it past that C'Ship level the following summer, but thanks anyway

From things you have posted, I know that you have the opportunity to move to higher levels in your career. I offered you some advice and your response is to make excuses and point your finger at other people, and try to downplay the attitude that you exuded in your earlier post.

Like I tried to say before - that crap will come back to bite you if you don't get it under control now.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Wow...

So Mark gets to blast me & quite frankly, threaten me over the internet, but I cannot retort. Okay

Isnt he the one that posts about 3rd grade games ALL the time??
I simply said I've graduated from his brand of basketball so we wouldn't be on the same court anytime soon. WTF?

Already made it past that C'Ship level the following summer, but thanks anyway

You might want to check which Mark you're referring to....there is more than one. And the level of ball a person choose to work doesn't necessarily indicate how good of an official they are. There are other reasons people work games.

As long as Mark (either one) can get down the court, I'd take him any day over some young punk who thinks they're better than all the other officials on the court and that their view of a play is the only view. Officials that constantly "cover" their partner's "misses" eventually find they don't have any partners to work with.

I see what I think are wrong calls by my partners probably every game. Sometimes, with partners I'm comfortable with, I bring it up in post game (or half time). Some of those times, I find out I was wrong...there was an element to the situation I hadn't seen. Sometimes, it is splitting hairs (perhaps deciding whether the player had control or not) and neither is more right than the other. Sometimes I was right...I saw something they didn't see. And, a few times, I'll step in on the court and give them more info.....but it has to be something absolutely necessary before I do.