Clean Block or a Foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Very well. Let's say there was no blocked shot on this play, only the body contact. What would you have then?

The principal of verticality, of course.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The principal of verticality, of course.

Okay, that's where we part ways. It's more visible from the end line camera (where we'd roughly be as the lead), but I clearly see the defender coming into the shooter. Had he stayed in his "phone booth," I'd have nothing.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, that's where we part ways. It's more visible from the end line camera (where we'd roughly be as the lead), but I clearly see the defender coming into the shooter. Had he stayed in his "phone booth," I'd have nothing.

Seriously?

So the defender jumps from just within the RA circle, and ends up landing about 3 feet BACKWARDS from where he jumped - because of the shooter jumping into him. And you are going to call a foul on the defender and tell the Coach "He didn't stay in his phone booth!"

[bainsey]

You're missing the point, Rock. Again, the defender clearly came into the shooter with body contact.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

You're missing the point, Rock. Again, the defender clearly came into the shooter with body contact.

I honestly am not seeing that in the video...are you sure you're not mistaking the fact that the shooter hit the defender in the mid-section (which caused the defender to fold up a little bit) for contact created by the defender?

[asdf]

Not a foul in the first 10 seconds of the game....

.... and not a foul in the last 10 seconds of the game.

Solid judgement by the guys on this one.

[Welpe]

Good observation rocky.

You know if you look at it slow motion, the offensive player travels. And no, I'm not advocating calling that.

Edit: Watched it again. Nevermind, no he doesn't.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by asdf

Not a foul in the first 10 seconds of the game, and not a foul in the last 10 seconds of the game.

How about the middle 1900 seconds?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I honestly am not seeing that in the video...are you sure you're not mistaking the fact that the shooter hit the defender in the mid-section (which caused the defender to fold up a little bit) for contact created by the defender?

No, the defender is clearly going into the shooter. The defender has a right to defend his spot on the floor up to the ceiling, not the spots in front of the spot.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

No, the defender is clearly going into the shooter. The defender has a right to defend his spot on the floor up to the ceiling, not the spots in front of the spot.

Is the shooter whos driving to the rack not moving into the defender as well?

[rockyroad]

OK, not trying to be a jerk here, but is anyone else seeing what bainsey is saying? Honest question because maybe I am missing it somehow...I just don't see the defender jumping into the shooter - I see it the other way entirely.

Anyone else see the defender jumping into the shooter?

[tref]

The closer players get to the rim, more contact is certain to occur. When a buck & change meets 2 & change the smaller guy usually goes down. Its our judgment as to whether its a foul or not. From the Ls camera angle, dude got his shot wiped, felt some contact & hit the deck. Great CNC!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seriously?

So the defender jumps from just within the RA circle, and ends up landing about 3 feet BACKWARDS from where he jumped - because of the shooter jumping into him. And you are going to call a foul on the defender and tell the Coach "He didn't stay in his phone booth!"

Made me watch again. I'm even more convinced now that no-call is the best option here. The defender was jumping obliquely, and the shooter was moving into him. L had a great angle, and so does the camera. The camera from under the basket doesn't give a great angle, IMO.