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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:32pm
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Clean Block or a Foul?

From the KU/Mizzou game Saturday.

Clean or foul?

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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:16pm
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Defender goes straight up; shooter was responsible for the contact; good block on the ball..... I got nothing on this play.
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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:52pm
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I have a no call and it's really not close.
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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:59pm
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Here's the play slowed down for convenience:

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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:19pm
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Defender goes straight up; shooter was responsible for the contact; good block on the ball..... I got nothing on this play.
The shooter is not responsible for the contact on this play, because it's a RA play, and the shooter's contact is not flagrant.
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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:34pm
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The shooter is not responsible for the contact on this play, because it's a RA play, and the shooter's contact is not flagrant.
Are you saying this as just a point or do you have a foul on the defense for this?
I have a clean block even with the RA, so I am confused by your statement.
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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:50pm
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Are you saying this as just a point or do you have a foul on the defense for this?
I have a clean block even with the RA, so I am confused by your statement.
I'm not decided yet. I'm trying to translate it in my brain to a women's game. But to say that the shooter is responsible for the contact here implies that if a foul is to be called that it's a PC foul if anything, and that the defender, by virtue of having verticality, cannot be called for a blocking foul, which is not the case, as he established IGP in the RA, and the contact occured while he was over the RA. I'm not a great judge of men's plays like this though, I'll admit. I'd be curious to see it as a video play on Arbiter by Adams.

I'd like to twist it and hear opinions of the play by completely removing the block of the ball.
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Old Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:55pm
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I'm not decided yet. I'm trying to translate it in my brain to a women's game. But to say that the shooter is responsible for the contact here implies that if a foul is to be called that it's a PC foul if anything, and that the defender, by virtue of having verticality, cannot be called for a blocking foul, which is not the case, as he established IGP in the RA, and the contact occured while he was over the RA. I'm not a great judge of men's plays like this though, I'll admit. I'd be curious to see it as a video play on Arbiter by Adams.

I'd like to twist it and hear opinions of the play by completely removing the block of the ball.
How could you have a foul on the defender? The purpose of the RA is to stop secondary defenders from trying to draw a charge close to the basket. A defender is allowed to jump in an attempt to block the shot without worrying if he's in the RA or not.
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