Basket Counts ?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

Any rule references to this?

The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the
throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball
becomes dead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the
throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball
becomes dead.

Certainly a rule reference, it just doesn't say what he's asking.

[Adam]

Based on what rule?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Based on what rule?

Definition of pass: ball thrown, bounced, rolled, to another player.......


If not that, what is it? For once, I'm open to suggestion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If not that, what is it? For once, I'm open to suggestion.

Me too. I'm having a brain cramp and can't think of anything that differentiates between the taps by A1 or B1.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Me too. I'm having a brain cramp and can't think of anything that differentiates between the taps by A1 or B1.

There's a case play which tells us that when the 3 attempt is touched by the teammate inside the arc it counts 2, so I'm applying that logic here, took some liberty in calling it a pass, maybe. But, what else could it be?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Based on what rule?

Interestingly, neither the NFHS nor the NCAA case book deals with this situation specifically. The closest they come is a try ending when it's apparent it won't be successful.

I think the only way it would happen is if A1 put up a try and while it was on its way up - and near the basket - A2 tried a tap dunk to make sure it goes in. That would seem to satisfy 4-41-1.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the
throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball
becomes dead.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Certainly a rule reference, it just doesn't say what he's asking.

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The closest they come is a try ending when it's apparent it won't be successful.

I thought that it was a relevant citation. So did JetMetFan.

Originally Posted by just another ref

There's a case play which tells us that when the 3 attempt is touched by the teammate inside the arc it counts 2, so I'm applying that logic here, took some liberty in calling it a pass, maybe. But, what else could it be?

just another ref's post is worth further investigation. At this point, I don't have a strong opinion, so I'll just sit back and be a spectator. Extra butter, please.

[bd41flpk]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I thought that it was a relevant citation. So did JetMetFan.



just another ref's post is worth further investigation. At this point, I don't have a strong opinion, so I'll just sit back and be a spectator. Extra butter, please.

Thanks for the Rule references....

When I read Rule 6.7 Art 9 (Exception) - it reads that the '...ball does not become dead until until the try or tap ends...' So does the touch of A2 cause the original 'try' to end? IMHO - I think not.

Also, in the same section, the Note: If A1's try is "legally" touched in flight (does not differentiate by whom), the goal counts if made, if the period ends BEFORE or AFTER the legal touching.

This tells me that the 'legal touch' by A2 would still allow the goal to count either before/after the period ending w/the horn sounding.

Hence, in both scenarios A2 or B2 'legal' touch (according to the rules) appears to allow the goal to count !

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

Rule 6.7 Art 9 Note:If A1's try is "legally" touched in flight (does not differentiate by whom), the goal counts if made, if the period ends BEFORE or AFTER the legal touching.

bd41flpk: Nice citation. Not bad for a newbie with less than thirty posts.

[Adam]

Situation:
A1, losing his balance, launches a prayer from beyond the three point line. His release point is near the floor. B1 is fighting around a screen by A2, and is able to tip the ball as it's released. B1's tip goes off of A2's head and the ball goes in.

The horn sounds between A1's release and B1's tip, and A2 is standing inside the 3 pt line when it hits his head.

1. Does it count.
2. 2 or 3?