Karl Hess tosses two NC State players

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt over the guy who admits to sitting behind the table and loudly complaining about more than half a dozen calls in a single game.

I had an AAU championship game last Sunday. The one team's parents were sitting in a block at one end of the bleachers and were fairly loud and obnoxious, and I personally thought they were clueless to the point they had me and my partners laughing.

They were like that the whole game. Everyone else in the gym knew what they were. Only when I heard profanity over one call did I then go get game management. But that wasn't till the 4th quarter. Up to that point they had probably complained loudly over 10-20 call/no-calls.. Oh the humanity.......

[Brad]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

I had an AAU championship game last Sunday. The one team's parents were sitting in a block at one end of the bleachers and were fairly loud and obnoxious, and I personally thought they were clueless to the point they had me and my partners laughing.

They were like that the whole game. Everyone else in the gym knew what they were. Only when I heard profanity over one call did I then go get game management. But that wasn't till the 4th quarter. Up to that point they had probably complained loudly over 10-20 call/no-calls.. Oh the humanity.......

Do you really think that Hess threw them out just for complaining about calls?

Also, as others pointed out, your experience in an AAU game really has no bearing on this. Apples and oranges really.

[Rich]

I am not Karl Hess, nor will I ever have his resume, but I had a jackwagon removed tonight. I called a travel as the C opposite and some idiot in the stands right behind me unleashed a fury that included an f-bomb. I hit the whistle and got the AD and had the guy removed.

After the game, the guy found his way back into the gym and told me I offended him. Then the AD grabbed him and we closed the locker room door.

[Rich]

Oh, the AD is an official and a friend who occasionally posts here, so maybe he'll come in and poke fun at me (like he just did on Facebook).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I am not Karl Hess, nor will I ever have his resume, but I had a jackwagon removed tonight. I called a travel as the C opposite and some idiot in the stands right behind me unleashed a fury that included an f-bomb. I hit the whistle and got the AD and had the guy removed.

After the game, the guy found his way back into the gym and told me I offended him. Then the AD grabbed him and we closed the locker room door.

Did he Tebow afterwards?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did he Tebow afterwards?

No, but I've decided that on my first of 40 held balls tonight I'm going to call it by getting down on one knee and raising my thumbs to heaven.

[Welpe]

"Rich The Terrible"

Now that's a name I could get behind. I'm trying to figure out who our masked AD/official is on here though...

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

"Rich The Terrible"

Now that's a name I could get behind.

He can't change his screen name again without resetting his post count!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did he Tebow afterward?

Senior night. Two poor teams. Home team wins in last minute in front of a packed gym. Senior home player "Tebows" in the jump ball circle while teammate is getting ready to shoot a free throw with a few seconds remaining. He had an Irish Cross tattoo (just like mine). I wondered if the display was genuine, or was he just trying to get attention?

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Brad

Also, as others pointed out, your experience in an AAU game really has no bearing on this. Apples and oranges really.

You mean I can't compare a D1 game with an AAU game??? Bummer.
How about comparing 2 grown men getting on the officials the whole game with 20 adults getting on the officials the whole game? That seems somewhat fair to me, unless those 2 guys have super-human powers I'm unaware of.

I saw this yesterday in an article from the News & Observer and think it's a fair assessment. Do you?

"If Corchiani or Gugliotta threatened Hess, used profanity or were otherwise offensive, Hess and the ACC should acknowledge those grounds for their ejection. If they were no different from any other fan in the building, Hess and the ACC owe them an apology.

The power to eject unruly fans is not one to be used lightly. Hess has that right, but not without the responsibility to explain himself."

When I read on this board that officials like Hess can do this "because they can", really turns my stomach and think that it's that type of attitude that continues to widen the divide between officials and coaches/fans.

Note to those that may try and paint me as a traitor or someone that has no clue: I do not condone profanity or vulgar assaults or anything else that would deemed a personal attack against any official.

[APG]

From what I remember, any reference to "because he can" was in reference to Hess ejecting the fans himself rather than going to game management. People were asking why he went about administering the ejection like he did rather than doing so properly.

And Hess and the ACC don't owe the two fans any apology if the conference doesn't disagree with the ejection (and from the looks of it, they don't). The only thing the ACC has said that was incorrect about the whole incident is the administration of the ejection.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

How about comparing 2 grown men getting on the officials the whole game with 20 adults getting on the officials the whole game? That seems somewhat fair to me, unless those 2 guys have super-human powers I'm unaware of.

There were over 17,500 people in the arena ... do you think that it was only those 2 that were giving Hess a hard time? If he booted everyone out that was yelling "You suck" he would have probably had to remove half of the crowd!

He booted these two for a reason. Look at where they are seated — right behind the scorer's table. I'm confident they were interfering with the table and being way over the top. Why else would Hess kick them out? I can tell you he wouldn't.

When you are making that much money per game, you don't go in trying to look for things to create controversy. You go in, make the calls, and get out.

There is no way that he is stopping a game of this caliber, on TV, to wait to have these two guys ejected without a damn good reason.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Brad

There is no way that he is stopping a game of this caliber, on TV, to wait to have these two guys ejected without a damn good reason.

This statement is at the very core of the whole argument in this thread. If you don't accept this as a fact, then you will forever believe that Hess did something wrong or uncalled for.

Anybody who has ever officiated beyond kiddie rec or has ANY knowledge of what it takes to become an official of Hess' stature will likely accept this fact. Those that don't...well...I would tend to lump them into the rabid fan or media talking head school of thought/mentality.

[asdf]

Now Gottfried is getting on on the act....

ACC Now - Gottfried calls ACC reprimand 'weak' at student rally | newsobserver.com blogs

Talk about "weak".....

According to him you cannot eject NC State "greats" or ACC "greats".

Clowns..... Yow, Gottfried, Gugliotta, Corchini......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

The power to eject unruly fans is not one to be used lightly. Hess has that right, but not without the responsibility to explain himself."

When I read on this board that officials like Hess can do this "because they can", really turns my stomach and think that it's that type of attitude that continues to widen the divide between officials and coaches/fans.

Note to those that may try and paint me as a traitor or someone that has no clue: I do not condone profanity or vulgar assaults or anything else that would deemed a personal attack against any official.

The comment came from me about "Because he can." I said that because any of us can eject a fan when we feel necessary and just like anything in life people will have something to say about it. Not all of us have the same background or deem the same things as offensive, vulgar or even profane. And someone at his level officiating I am sure is not making a decision without a lot of things in mind that neither you or I would ever know was going through their mind. Hess has been on TV and has been under much more scrutiny than any of us have ever had to deal with. Heck most of us officiate games and never hear a thing about a call we make other than from the coach that did not like the call at the time. How many of us have to hear from our supervisors a day after the game or ask us to file a report after ever game? Probably not many of us have had to do that in our careers at all.

Peace