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[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you saying a player who catches the ball, while running, with his right foot on the floor, can lift his right foot before starting his dribble?

Yep. he hasn't technically established it as a pivot yet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Yep. he hasn't technically established it as a pivot yet.

I will say this, if the player's second foot isn't down yet when he starts his dribble, then I probably can't tell that the first foot has been lifted. But that's not relevant to the rule you're quoting.

What about a player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, then jumps off of both feet before starting his dribble?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I will say this, if the player's second foot isn't down yet when he starts his dribble, then I probably can't tell that the first foot has been lifted. But that's not relevant to the rule you're quoting.

What about a player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, then jumps off of both feet before starting his dribble?

If he starts a dribble that is a travel. So what if the player in the OP, catches the ball on one foot starts a dribble then lands on both feet simultaneously? Then what do you have?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

If he starts a dribble that is a travel. So what if the player int he OP, catches the ball on one foot starts a dribble then lands on both feet simultaneously? Then what do you have?

Why is it a travel? He hasn't established a pivot foot yet.

Interesting question. You're talking about what is essentially a jump stop in which the receiver starts dribbling before he lands?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why is it a travel? He hasn't established a pivot foot yet.

Interesting question. You're talking about what is essentially a jump stop in which the receiver starts dribbling before he lands?

I see your point too. Good one. In my mind catching a ball on a sprint doesn't give the player much time to get the ball out of their hand nor stop on one foot. I understand the jump stop part. Just saying there is no way to know what the player is going to do and if he starts the dribble in the air in this situation I am passing. It is hard to see how you can call a travel if the player has only ever had one foot on the floor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I see your point too. Good one. In my mind catching a ball on a sprint doesn't give the player much time to get the ball out of their hand nor stop on one foot. I understand the jump stop part. Just saying there is no way to know what the player is going to do and if he starts the dribble in the air in this situation I am passing. It is hard to see how you can call a travel if the player has only ever had one foot on the floor.

Just fleshing this out a bit:
1. A1, on the run, catches with the right foot on the floor.
2. A1 lifts that foot in his run.
3. A1 starts his dribble.
4. A1 puts his left foot down as part of his run.

On step four, his right foot became the pivot, retroactively.
He had lifted that pivot before the dribble started.
Travel.

Other play where we retroactively learn of a travel:
A1 catches the ball, pivots, lifts his pivot foot, and then releases a pass towards A2, who has run away from the area.
A1 runs to retrieve the ball.

This is a travel because A1 lifted his pivot before starting his dribble. (The throw in should be at the spot nearest where his pivot foot was lifted.)

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Just fleshing this out a bit:
1. A1, on the run, catches with the right foot on the floor.
2. A1 lifts that foot in his run.
3. A1 starts his dribble.
4. A1 puts his left foot down as part of his run.

On step four, his right foot became the pivot, retroactively.
He had lifted that pivot before the dribble started.
Travel.

Other play where we retroactively learn of a travel:
A1 catches the ball, pivots, and then releases a pass towards A2, who has run away from the area.
A1 runs to retrieve the ball.

This is a travel because A1 lifted his pivot before starting his dribble. (The throw in should be at the spot nearest where his pivot foot was lifted.)

I still don't agree with you in the first case and even if I did, I still wouldn't call it because it would be bang bang.

As for the second one, can't you take as many steps during a dribble as you want. Ball is out of his hands, he hasn't used his dribble yet, I think this should be legit as well, as long as he passed the ball before lifting the pivot foot and hasn't used his dribble already.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Just fleshing this out a bit:
1. A1, on the run, catches with the right foot on the floor.
2. A1 lifts that foot in his run.
3. A1 starts his dribble.
4. A1 puts his left foot down as part of his run.

On step four, his right foot became the pivot, retroactively.
He had lifted that pivot before the dribble started.
Travel.

Disagree. You have to establish a pivot foot BEFORE the pivot foot restrictions are in effect....and a pivot foot can only be established while holding the ball. Except for one case, all traveling situations occur while holding the ball. If the ball has been released on a dribble before a pivot foot and the restriction on a pivot foot exist, it can't be a travel. Legal play.

EDIT: Additionally, after lifting the first foot, it would still be legal if the player, while still holding the ball, were to come down on both feet simultaneously and even then start a dribble. Why? No pivot was established at all.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Other play where we retroactively learn of a travel:
A1 catches the ball, pivots, lifts his pivot foot, and then releases a pass towards A2, who has run away from the area.
A1 runs to retrieve the ball.

This is a travel because A1 lifted his pivot before starting his dribble. (The throw in should be at the spot nearest where his pivot foot was lifted.)

Agree.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

If he starts a dribble that is a travel. So what if the player in the OP, catches the ball on one foot starts a dribble then lands on both feet simultaneously? Then what do you have?

Wouldn't make sense since after the player lands he can legally start a dribble....

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Wouldn't make sense since after the player lands he can legally start a dribble....

My point exactly.