Duke/UNC

[twocentsworth]

not to hijack this thread about the 3 vs 2 tip in....ok...i'll hijack....

I would not have called a travel on the Curry 3pt shot.

caught ball with right foot on ground.
put left foot down (pivot foot) = 1 step
then double tapped his right foot = 2 step
then left floor to shoot.

it looked funny; but I would only have called a travel IF his right foot WAS NOT already on the ground prior to catching the ball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

not to hijack this thread about the 3 vs 2 tip in....ok...i'll hijack....

I would not have called a travel on the Curry 3pt shot.

caught ball with right foot on ground.
put left foot down (pivot foot) = 1 step
then double tapped his right foot = 2 step
then left floor to shoot.

it looked funny; but I would only have called a travel IF his right foot WAS NOT already on the ground prior to catching the ball.

If you were calling an NBA game, then you would be right in not calling this a travel. Under NF/NCAA this is a travel as the right foot was the pivot.

Specifically:

1. Ball is gathered with right foot on the floor.
2. Player steps with his left foot. By virtue of doing this, the player has established his right foot as the pivot foot.
3. He then picks up and steps with his right foot, his pivot foot.

[JRutledge]

I don't have a travel because it is about possession. I do not think he has possession of the ball while moving until his left foot is on the ground. If I have to look that closely to even think that is what took place, then I do not have a travel. I am glad they did not call that a travel.

Peace

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I don't have a travel because it is about possession. I do not think he has possession of the ball while moving until his left foot is on the ground. If I have to look that closely to even think that is what took place, then I do not have a travel. I am glad they did not call that a travel.

Peace

Just curious, what do you see as the possession issue here? Did you see a bobble? The video is of average quality, but it looks to me like he caught the ball cleanly with two hands while his right foot is on the ground with no subsequent bobble/fumble? What did I miss?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by KCRC

Just curious, what do you see as the possession issue here? Did you see a bobble? The video is of average quality, but it looks to me like he caught the ball cleanly with two hands while his right foot is on the ground with no subsequent bobble/fumble? What did I miss?

Was... it happened right in front of Coach K, and the covering official wants to work some more Duke games

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KCRC

Just curious, what do you see as the possession issue here? Did you see a bobble? The video is of average quality, but it looks to me like he caught the ball cleanly with two hands while his right foot is on the ground with no subsequent bobble/fumble? What did I miss?

I do not consider touching the ball possession. Again the issue might be the video and the overall quality of that video, but I thought he just was bringing in the ball with the right foot (I hope that was the right foot) on the ball. I consider possession when you clearly show you have grabbed the ball. If not then it would be very inconsistent for me to judge a travel and identify the pivot foot. I guess what I am saying, is I am not going to split hairs with a foot being on the floor and say automatically that was his pivot foot.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider touching the ball possession. Again the issue might be the video and the overall quality of that video, but I thought he just was bringing in the ball with the right foot (I hope that was the right foot) on the ball. I consider possession when you clearly show you have grabbed the ball. If not then it would be very inconsistent for me to judge a travel and identify the pivot foot. I guess what I am saying, is I am not going to split hairs with a foot being on the floor and say automatically that was his pivot foot.

Peace

I have a lot of no-calls because my vision is blocked enough that I can't tell exactly when the ball is gathered. I'm far more comfortable with this than with calling phantom travels.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I don't have a travel because it is about possession. I do not think he has possession of the ball while moving until his left foot is on the ground. If I have to look that closely to even think that is what took place, then I do not have a travel. I am glad they did not call that a travel.

Peace

I'm with you on this. It is difficult to tell from this video if he gathers, controls, or catches ball with right foot on floor. In my opinion you have to let it go if not 100% sure , again it looked awkward, but left foot may have been pivot foot. I think the top officials don't make calls unless absolutely sure. I bet the opposing coach did not complain. I think players, coaches and fans don't want traveling calls made unless it is definite. Well maybe not fans.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jump stop

I'm with you on this. It is difficult to tell from this video if he gathers, controls, or catches ball with right foot on floor. In my opinion you have to let it go if not 100% sure , again it looked awkward, but left foot may have been pivot foot. I think the top officials don't make calls unless absolutely sure. I bet the opposing coach did not complain. I think players, coaches and fans don't want traveling calls made unless it is definite. Well maybe not fans.

What is 100% sure? How often does that actually happen? What I see is a clean catch with the right foot on the floor, a short hop, again landing on the right foot, a step with the left foot, and then a step with the right foot. I see a shooter concerned with getting his feet set properly who is oblivious to the accompanying illegal action.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

3. He then picks up and steps with his right foot, his pivot foot.

He identified his right foot? I'm sure you meant "He then raises and steps ..."

You shouldn't be giving out misinformation like that.

(Just trying out something I "learned" to see if it works for me.)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He identified his right foot? I'm sure you meant "He then raises and steps ..."

You shouldn't be giving out misinformation like that.

(Just trying out something I "learned" to see if it works for me.)

...psst, Bob, you forgot the "Lah me".

[APG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He identified his right foot? I'm sure you meant "He then raises and steps ..."

You shouldn't be giving out misinformation like that.

(Just trying out something I "learned" to see if it works for me.)

LOL!

Lah me

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

He identified his right foot? I'm sure you meant "He then raises and steps ..."

You shouldn't be giving out misinformation like that.

(Just trying out something I "learned" to see if it works for me.)

LOL!!! I needed that laugh.

Peace