Intentional or not?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Fellas, I was just pointing out the differences in wording...

HS says excessive.
NCAA says excessive &/or unneccesary.

Whether they nudge or shove, its still a form of pushing. Airborne shooters dont get shoved or nudged from behind in my games. Just like an elbow hit or elbow tap... its still a foul.

Thats all

No it is not. All contact is not considered a foul by rule. So a nudge would not be the same as pushing someone. Heck I expect a nudge on many plays if the contact is legal. And all elbow contact is not a foul and the NCAA has made that very clear many times in their video. So it matters how and what the contact affected the players. Language or not, the concept is not different.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No it is not. All contact is not considered a foul by rule. So a nudge would not be the same as pushing someone. Heck I expect a nudge on many plays if the contact is legal. And all elbow contact is not a foul and the NCAA has made that very clear many times in their video. So it matters how and what the contact affected the players. Language or not, the concept is not different.

Peace

We didnt see this play, would you agree that nudging an airborne shooter may not be excessive but it is unneccesary??

BTW:

Verb 1. nudge - to push against gently; "She nudged my elbow when she saw her friend enter the restaurant"
poke at, prod
jog - give a slight push to
elbow - shove one's elbow into another person's ribs
push, force - move with force, "He pushed the table into a corner"
2. nudge - push into action by pestering or annoying gently
push, bear on - press, drive, or impel (someone) to action or completion of an action; "He pushed her to finish her doctorate"

The word "push" is in there quite often

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by tref

We didnt see this play, would you agree that nudging an airborne shooter may not be excessive but it is unneccesary??

It may or may not be excessive. Even if it is unnecessary, it can still be incidental.

[Sharpshooternes]

It is not as if I had my mind made up but it is what I called. Reading some of the answers I think I got a little clarification. In my mind at the time of the call, this was not a legitimate play on the ball or excessive contact, but reading C above in the HS rules it specifically talks about it being to stop the clock or prevent it from starting. Perhaps I was off base with this call. More displacement for sure would have earned the INT but I probably should have given an +1 only.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I probably should have given an +1 only.

cringe

[Sharpshooternes]

[QUOTE=tref;818249]We didnt see this play, would you agree that nudging an airborne shooter may not be excessive but it is unneccesary??

Yes

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the displacement is slight, I'll call the shooting foul and talk to the player.

If there's no displacement, no call.

If it's significant, an INT is likely the best option.

There it is. These are typically HTBT calls, but if you had to pin it down to words, I'd say this nails it.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

cringe

you don't agree?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bainsey

there it is. These are typically htbt calls, but if you had to pin it down to words, i'd say this nails it.

+1

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Fellas, I was just pointing out the differences in wording...

HS says excessive.
NCAA says excessive &/or unneccesary.

Whether they nudge or shove, its still a form of pushing. Airborne shooters dont get shoved or nudged from behind in my games. Just like an elbow hit or elbow tap... its still a foul.

Thats all

I guess you call ALL contact as an intentional foul because all of it is unnecessary.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

you don't agree?

Just with the term "and one." Nothing wrong with it per se, just coach speak that makes me tune out a coach faster than "3 seconds" or "over the back."

[Sharpshooternes]

What would you like me to use?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

What would you like me to use?

And 1.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

What would you like me to use?

Honestly, I would just use "shooting foul." But, I know what you meant, everyone here knows what you meant. It's not as big a deal as my response indicated.

[tref]

If I did that, I'm sure I'd be back to working a plethora of kiddie games on Saturday mornings instead of Saturday night 7pm

IMO the defender running down an airborne shooter who's laying the ball up doesn't get to play last tag just because he got beat. Sometimes you just gotta let it go...

BTW I've never had to call more than one INT for this in a single game, if you know what I mean.