2 or 3 points?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Toren

But if it was a pass that originated outside the 3 point line by A and it hit B in the shoulder and went through the basket, then it's 3 points according to 5.2.1 situation C.

You agree that a try that has clearly ended cannot be a three when it is certain that it is not successful, but you think a pass which never had a chance to go in in the first place is a 3 if deflected in?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You agree that a try that has clearly ended cannot be a three when it is certain that it is not successful, but you think a pass which never had a chance to go in in the first place is a 3 if deflected in?

That's how I'm reading 4.41.4 situation B and 5.2.1

[bob jenkins]

I think I misread the play originally, too.

If the original "throw" has any chance of going in the basket (there's enough force to get the ball above 9 feet and the direction will take it within 10 feet of the basket), then count it as three.

If the original "throw" has no chance, then count it as two.

The rule change was put in place to allow for a "missed alley-oop" pass to count for three points.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think I misread the play originally, too.

If the original "throw" has any chance of going in the basket (there's enough force to get the ball above 9 feet and the direction will take it within 10 feet of the basket), then count it as three.

If the original "throw" has no chance, then count it as two.

The rule change was put in place to allow for a "missed alley-oop" pass to count for three points.

So to answer the OP
3 and 2?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

So to answer the OP
3 and 2?

Depends... was it a lob over the top or a short/bounce pass into the post.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

Depends... was it a lob over the top or a short/bounce pass into the post.

Okay now we're all back on the same page.

Just the way the original post was written I was picturing a short pass into the near post that got deflected and everyone was saying 3 and 3...that threw me off.

[onetime1]

In play 2. Pass was just a simple chest pass that did not hit the floor. Pass was thrown about 6 foot high and both offense and defense had their backs to the basket on the block. Ball hit one of the two players and deflected into the basket. Both players were inside the 3 point line.

[tref]

Originally Posted by onetime1

In play 2. Pass was just a simple chest pass that did not hit the floor. Pass was thrown about 6 foot high and both offense and defense had their backs to the basket on the block. Ball hit one of the two players and deflected into the basket. Both players were inside the 3 point line.

Hold up, wait a minute... this isnt what you said originally.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by onetime1

1) A player attempts a 3 point shot from behind the arc. The defense takes off from inside the arc and clearly blocks the shot. The shot goes in. What is the call?

2) A player from behind the 3 point arc attempts to pass the ball into the post. The defense inside the 3 point line deflects the ball into the basket. What is the call?

#1 is 3 points.

#2 is 2 points.

And here is why...

Originally Posted by Toren

4.41.4 Situation B

A1's three point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket.

The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored.

The thrown-ball rule was instituted so we do not have to determine if it was a try or a pass.

4.41.4B tells us that when the opportunity for it to go in has clearly ended and a deflection puts it in, it will be 2 points. Since we are not to judge whether it was a try or a pass, substitute pass in for try in 4.41.4B....and you get 2 points.

Originally Posted by Toren

But if it was a pass that originated outside the 3 point line by A and it hit B in the shoulder and went through the basket, then it's 3 points according to 5.2.1 situation C.

5.2.1C is talking about a ball that is a pass/try towards the basket where the defender gets their fingertips on the ball like a blocked shot....but it still goes in. It is not relevant to a ball thrown nowhere near the basket. The clues to that are buried in the specific words chosen...

"The ball is legally touched by"
"The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket."

With the wording in 5.2.1C, it is clearly addressing a ball that goes to the basket as a result of the original throw and that a mere "touching" by the defense doesn't change its status. Touching is not bouncing/deflecting the ball in a new direction.