Should I have called a Tech?

[mbyron]

Another approach, based on my stuntman training.

1. As the ball is approaching your face, open your hand, and put the back of your hand directly against your face. Let the ball hit your hand. It should make a nice, loud smack.

2. Lean your head back, and throw your feet up. You'll begin to fall. With your free hand, reach for the floor and smack it. That will create a nice sound and break your fall.

With a little practice, you can make this look like a Class A Felony. Should have no problem selling Toren's flagrant T at that point.

Me, I'm just calling an unsporting T, not extracting a pound of flesh from the kid for the rest of the game, and playing on.

[tref]

I would never attempt the method that Toren suggests for a few reasons:

1. Whats the other coach thinking as we are having private discussions?
2. After "asking" the coach to take care of it, we visually stick the kid & that gives the perception that it was for something in the private discussion & not the unsporting act.
3. We are supposed to get with a partner on atypical situations before going to the table.
- Walk player to coach
- Ask if coach will handle him
- Give the T signal
- Go find a partner to rehearse
- FINALLY, take it to the table
Too long & drawn out.

I strongly suggest:
1. Make a decision as we are paid to do.
2. Rehearse, ask if it needs to be upgraded & take it to the table.

There is a reason we make decisions & take it to the table prior to talking with players/coaches. Just my opinion on this play Toren...

As you see its unanimous, the board has spoken & like grandma always said, "everybody aint crazy."

[fiasco]

Our job is not to coach, or to teach, or to teach coaches to teach or to coach.

Our job is to enforce the rules. Just do that.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

BTW...I might have whacked him for this.

Kids don't get to "whine and moan" at me....and if this is usual for you, you are either relatively new (I would guess somebody in their 20's) and/or need to get some advice from some veterans in your area in how to handle these situations.

But...don't get me wrong...thanks for posting this kind of stuff, it gets us all thinking about what we need to do in certain situations.

Find the right veterans, I might add. Just because they've been around for 15 years doesn't mean they know how to handle this or will do it correctly either. I know guys in their 20s that know how to handle business, and I know guys in their 50s that don't take care of anything and can't manage a game. The opposite is true as well. Don't just ask any veteran.

Originally Posted by Toren

Why is it "stupid"?

You gotta report your Technical to the table regardless, so what's the difference if you have a conversation first?

Like others have said, I don't know why you feel the need to have a conversation first. Call the T (Whether it's flagrant or not...just decide), go report it, and give the coach a brief explanation if he asks for it.

Originally Posted by Toren

My words were, "Coach, this player just earned a technical, do you got him".

Not sure why we're changing my words around here.

Why be vague though? What does "Do you got him?" mean? To the coach that might mean sit him for two minutes and put him right back in. Then you've passed on a flagrant simply because the coach said he will take care of it, when in reality he didn't do anything. Just use your judgment and things will work out.

[Toren]

We're all pretty quick at condemning it, so surely people must have seen this to know with certainty that it isn't the right way to go.

This seems to me a very gray play, not black and white, so there are probably several ways to do the job. If everyone else wants to look the exact same, that's fine, I'm not telling everyone else what to do. I'm just giving an alternative suggestion for how to handle it.

Find what works for you.

If you want to get a ball thrown at your face from 8-10 feet away and then have a conference to figure out if you should upgrade fine.

If you want to just throw out a T, no discussion, fine.

If you want to throw our a Flagrant, no discussion, fine.

If you want to fake how hard the ball hits you, similar to Marshall's head coach, fine.

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

[tref]

You know I love you like a play cousin, but pages 135 & 136 of the manual has step by step procedures for foul calling & nowhere in there does it say go bargain with the coach.

When I first started we reported & stayed tableside, now we go opposite due to overcommunicating with coaches as opposed to our partners.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Toren

If you want to get a ball thrown at your face from 8-10 feet away and then have a conference to figure out if you should upgrade fine.

If you want to just throw out a T, no discussion, fine.

If you want to throw our a Flagrant, no discussion, fine.

If you want to fake how hard the ball hits you, similar to Marshall's head coach, fine.

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others.
By the time I finish my song?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

Except you are playing lets make a deal. do this if you want, I could care less. See how it works, especially if you are getting evaluated.

go ahead, just do it. Please let us know how that turns out. I can tell you that if I am evaluating you I am going to tell you to never do that again, and I will also question your judgement as to your desire to bargain the severity of the call. In my opinion this will not make for a good evaluation.

but like I said, go ahead and do whatever you want to do.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

Except you are playing lets make a deal. do this if you want, I could care less. See how it works, especially if you are getting evaluated.

go ahead, just do it. Please let us know how that turns out. I can tell you that if I am evaluating you I am going to tell you to never do that again, and I will also question your judgement as to your desire to bargain the severity of the call. In my opinion this will not make for a good evaluation.

but like I said, go ahead and do whatever you want to do.

You aren't going to "see" my thought process. You aren't going to "see" me thinking, coach is taking care of business so I'm just going to go with a T. You aren't going to "see" that if coach doesn't take care of business, then I'm going with a Flagrant.

What you will see is, ball being thrown, me being calm, me taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report at the table.

But hopefully I will never have a dart thrown at me from 8-10 feet away for this to ever happen. But if it does, I will let you know how it turns out. I'll even post the video.