Should I have called a Tech?

[Toren]

We're all pretty quick at condemning it, so surely people must have seen this to know with certainty that it isn't the right way to go.

This seems to me a very gray play, not black and white, so there are probably several ways to do the job. If everyone else wants to look the exact same, that's fine, I'm not telling everyone else what to do. I'm just giving an alternative suggestion for how to handle it.

Find what works for you.

If you want to get a ball thrown at your face from 8-10 feet away and then have a conference to figure out if you should upgrade fine.

If you want to just throw out a T, no discussion, fine.

If you want to throw our a Flagrant, no discussion, fine.

If you want to fake how hard the ball hits you, similar to Marshall's head coach, fine.

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

[tref]

You know I love you like a play cousin, but pages 135 & 136 of the manual has step by step procedures for foul calling & nowhere in there does it say go bargain with the coach.

When I first started we reported & stayed tableside, now we go opposite due to overcommunicating with coaches as opposed to our partners.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Toren

If you want to get a ball thrown at your face from 8-10 feet away and then have a conference to figure out if you should upgrade fine.

If you want to just throw out a T, no discussion, fine.

If you want to throw our a Flagrant, no discussion, fine.

If you want to fake how hard the ball hits you, similar to Marshall's head coach, fine.

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others.
By the time I finish my song?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Toren

If you want to walk the kid to his coach, have a brief discussion with coach, then walk to the table and report...NO WAY, COMPLETELY INCORRECT

Except you are playing lets make a deal. do this if you want, I could care less. See how it works, especially if you are getting evaluated.

go ahead, just do it. Please let us know how that turns out. I can tell you that if I am evaluating you I am going to tell you to never do that again, and I will also question your judgement as to your desire to bargain the severity of the call. In my opinion this will not make for a good evaluation.

but like I said, go ahead and do whatever you want to do.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by deecee

Except you are playing lets make a deal. do this if you want, I could care less. See how it works, especially if you are getting evaluated.

go ahead, just do it. Please let us know how that turns out. I can tell you that if I am evaluating you I am going to tell you to never do that again, and I will also question your judgement as to your desire to bargain the severity of the call. In my opinion this will not make for a good evaluation.

but like I said, go ahead and do whatever you want to do.

You aren't going to "see" my thought process. You aren't going to "see" me thinking, coach is taking care of business so I'm just going to go with a T. You aren't going to "see" that if coach doesn't take care of business, then I'm going with a Flagrant.

What you will see is, ball being thrown, me being calm, me taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report at the table.

But hopefully I will never have a dart thrown at me from 8-10 feet away for this to ever happen. But if it does, I will let you know how it turns out. I'll even post the video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

You aren't going to "see" my thought process. You aren't going to "see" me thinking, coach is taking care of business so I'm just going to go with a T. You aren't going to "see" that if coach doesn't take care of business, then I'm going with a Flagrant.

What you will see is, ball being thrown, me being calm, me taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report at the table.

But hopefully I will never have a dart thrown at me from 8-10 feet away for this to ever happen. But if it does, I will let you know how it turns out. I'll even post the video.

I do not know why you are getting defensive, you posted your thoughts on the site and told everyone why you do what you did. I would assume if an evaluator asked you what happen you would probably tell them what you did and why. Either way if you did something the coach did not like, that might get reported to and you would have to answer to why you did what you did. Again, no one is debating that you could give a flagrant foul here, but you are advocating doing it only based on the actions of the coach. That is where you lost everyone.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Toren

You aren't going to "see" my thought process. You aren't going to "see" me thinking, coach is taking care of business so I'm just going to go with a T. You aren't going to "see" that if coach doesn't take care of business, then I'm going with a Flagrant.

What you will see is, ball being thrown, me being calm, me taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report at the table.

But hopefully I will never have a dart thrown at me from 8-10 feet away for this to ever happen. But if it does, I will let you know how it turns out. I'll even post the video.

Why would we not see ball being thrown, you calmly blowing whistle and calmly giving signal for T, you taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report to the table.

That way no one in the gym thinks you let the Coach talk you into/out of anything. You've already told us all that there is a T...we're just calmly waiting to know whether you are tossing the kid or not.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Why would we not see ball being thrown, you calmly blowing whistle and calmly giving signal for T, you taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report to the table.

That way no one in the gym thinks you let the Coach talk you into/out of anything. You've already told us all that there is a T...we're just calmly waiting to know whether you are tossing the kid or not.

...there you go Toren...isn't that a MUCH nicer mechanic than waiting?

I don't mean to pile on...but, if you wait to give the T...it looks like the coach said something to get the T as opposed to what the kid did.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

What you will see is, ball being thrown, me being calm, me taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report at the table.

Usually, for almost all T's, one is going to blow their whistle and signal a T...then report it to the table. Any interaction with the coach almost always comes after the technical is reported to the table. And in fact, if you DQ a player, you're going to have to inform the head coach anyway. Like bob said earlier, one communicates with the coach before a player crosses the line...giving the coach a chance to "handle it."

I will say, I've never seen an infraction of this sort reported AFTER talking to the coach. All kinds of misconceptions can come of it...at the very least, the opposing coach is going to wonder why you had a word with the other head coach before assessing the technical.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Why would we not see ball being thrown, you calmly blowing whistle and calmly giving signal for T, you taking the problem to the bench, a few short words, a report to the table.

That way no one in the gym thinks you let the Coach talk you into/out of anything. You've already told us all that there is a T...we're just calmly waiting to know whether you are tossing the kid or not.

Cause sometimes I like to walk the road less traveled. In cases like this where it's grey area, I want to try different methods and figure out what works best.

One small amendment to my earlier statement, you would see ball being thrown, you would see me do the Neo in the Matrix to avoid the ball, then the rest of that stuff.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Usually, for almost all T's, one is going to blow their whistle and signal a T...then report it to the table. Any interaction with the coach almost always comes after the technical is reported to the table. And in fact, if you DQ a player, you're going to have to inform the head coach anyway. Like bob said earlier, one communicates with the coach before a player crosses the line...giving the coach a chance to "handle it."

I will say, I've never seen an infraction of this sort reported AFTER talking to the coach. All kinds of misconceptions can come of it...at the very least, the opposing coach is going to wonder why you had a word with the other head coach before assessing the technical.

I have no problem with giving a T at the spot. Then walking the kid to the coach and telling him he earned a T, you going to handle him? And I may upgrade depending on the answer.

At the table it's still a T, it's just going to either be a T or an ejection (flagrant).

[APG]

Originally Posted by Toren

I have no problem with giving a T at the spot. Then walking the kid to the coach and telling him he earned a T, you going to handle him? And I may upgrade depending on the answer.

At the table it's still a T, it's just going to either be a T or an ejection (flagrant).

To each their own...I've never seen any official stop to talk to a coach before reporting a foul to the table...especially in regard to the infraction just committed by a player.

Quite frankly, your way of doing this (and I would point out that no one has agreed with your method...take that for what it's worth) make little sense to me.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

To each their own...I've never seen any official stop to talk to a coach before reporting a foul to the table...especially in regard to the infraction just committed by a player.

Quite frankly, your way of doing this (and I would point out that no one has agreed with your method...take that for what it's worth) make little sense to me.

Well I have never done this, and the chances of this scenario happening to me specifically is quite small. So this whole argument is probably moot.

But I promise, if I ever do this I will post the video...then it can leave the realm of academic and enter reality.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Toren

The actions alone deem it a flagrant but if the coach decides to handle it, I would probably just rule it a technical.

Now if he had bounced passed it hard, that is nothing, throwing a dart at an official 8-10 feet away is grounds for flagrant. See ya.

Wrong. You don't base your call on how the coach handles it. You base it on the act.

If he throws a fast, hard ball to you, technical foul.

If he throws the ball at you, that's different. That's flagrant.

[Adam]

We just had a discussion about a varsity coach who did this exact thing from the sideline in a JV game. Unanimously, we said to toss him.

Why in the world would you give a player more leeway? That's exactly what you're doing by even giving the coach a chance to "take care of it."