Should I have called a Tech?

blueprint · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:12pm

Last weekend I was officiating some 11th/12th grade CYO. I called a travel on a kid, and he did the usual whine and moan, but then, he beamed the ball at me. Like a hard baseball throw. We were probably 8-10 feet apart. I was in sheer shock, and by the time I could register what happened, it was too late. Should I have called a tech? How long is too long to wait to call a tech on a player?

Indianaref · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by blueprint

Last weekend I was officiating some 11th/12th grade CYO. I called a travel on a kid, and he did the usual whine and moan, but then, he beamed the ball at me. Like a hard baseball throw. We were probably 8-10 feet apart. I was in sheer shock, and by the time I could register what happened, it was too late. Should I have called a tech? How long is too long to wait to call a tech on a player?

Yes, call the T. Doesn't sound like you needed to wait.

stiffler3492 · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:16pm

Yeah, the only hesitation should have been you getting the whistle back to your mouth if you didn't have it in already.

That's definitely a technical foul, and some might argue that's borderline flagrant.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:18pm

Probably. I gave a T for this years ago. Or if nothing else, I would not have allowed that player to get away with something else for sure.

Peace

blueprint · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Probably. I gave a T for this years ago. Or if nothing else, I would not have allowed that player to get away with something else for sure.

Peace

THis was the approach I ended up taking....I called him for EVERYTHING.

stiffler3492 · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:21pm

I hope you didn't look for violations/fouls specifically on this player, just because he whipped the ball at you. While he deserves some sort of discipline, this wouldn't be fair. Either call the technical or don't, but afterward, he must be treated like everyone else (at least as far as normal basketball stuff goes).

blueprint · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:24pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I hope you didn't look for violations/fouls specifically on this player, just because he whipped the ball at you. While he deserves some sort of discipline, this wouldn't be fair. Either call the technical or don't, but afterward, he must be treated like everyone else (at least as far as normal basketball stuff goes).

no, not at all, but whenever he made an infraction, i never thought twice about ringing him up again.

Toren · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:30pm

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

JRutledge · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by Toren

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

I totally disagree. Call the foul and make a decision and if a coach wants an explanation, then give it to them if they act professionally. I would not decide a flagrant act based on the actions of the coach. Make a call and move on. All you are doing is inviting more problems by interacting with a coach and then deciding to eject a player for something other than the actions alone.

Peace

deecee · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 05:06pm

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Originally Posted by Toren

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

Please no one who reads this forum think that this is an appropriate action. Either penalize on the spot or not. But for the love of christ don't walk over to the coach and ask him this stupid question AND THEN T.

Because then you will most likely have to T the coach up as well. Plus this whole mechanic described is just stupid.

constable · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:41am

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Originally Posted by Toren

I would have walked him to his coach and said, "this player just earned a technical, you want to handle him?" Coach says, "yes, I will handle him"..."thanks coach" tweet, technical foul.

If the coach says "No, he's alright", "Thanks coach" tweet, flagrant.

Officials and high school players are not equal. We are adults, I don't feel we need to take crap from kids. If he wants to act like an idiot, his coach can talk to him, either way he's sitting on that bench.

I personally have a big issue with this. No where in the rule book does it give you authority to eject a coach for not taking care of his team. Everyone has a different threshold of what is acceptable and what isn't.

What's next are you gonna dump a coach who calls a bad iplay?

JRutledge · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:26pm

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Originally Posted by blueprint

THis was the approach I ended up taking....I called him for EVERYTHING.

I did not mean go get him on other aspects of the game, he just would be on my list for the next outburst or action towards me or my partner I would then get him. That being said they would not get the benefit of doubt for other aspects of the game. I would probably call more fouls on things I might have decided were marginal if the player thinks I totally screwed up. I would not call something that was not there. It would just be in the back of my mind to make a foul call when I was either talking a player out of some action or not calling something that would normally not be appropriate for the game.

Peace

bainsey · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 18, 2012, 02:19pm

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How long is too long to wait to call a tech on a player?

While it should be called sooner, I'd say the drop-dead point is when you administer the throw-in.