College Block/Charge - Has the rule changed ?

[JPS]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What is your understanding of what it takes to get LGP?

My understanding comes from the rule book. Section 35 in particular.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/BR13.pdf

Jon

[Adam]

Didn't answer the question. He didn't ask where you got your understanding; he asked what your understanding was.

[JPS]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Didn't answer the question. He didn't ask where you got your understanding; he asked what your understanding was.

And that's what I answered. My understanding is what is written in the rule book.

I provided the link and reference as a courtesy, in case anyone wants to actually read it. I could have copied and pasted the text but I didn't see the point.

Jon

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JPS

And that's what I answered. My understanding is what is written in the rule book.

I provided the link and reference as a courtesy, in case anyone wants to actually read it. I could have copied and pasted the text but I didn't see the point.

Jon

Camron was asking you to put it into your own words, not to quote the rule book.

I'll cut to the chase, he's questioning whether you're understanding is accurate.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JPS

My understanding comes from the rule book. Section 35 in particular.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/BR13.pdf

Jon

That wasn't my question. I asked you you thought it means, not where it is in the book.

[JPS]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That wasn't my question. I asked you you thought it means, not where it is in the book.

Sorry for the use of the word "comes" but I intended to say that what is in the rule book is what I use as my reference as to what constitutes legal guarding position.

And to get back to my original point, there have been numerous cases this season where defenders who are not in legal guarding position have received favorable charge calls, with no seeming explanation other than they were outside the arc.

Jon

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JPS

Sorry for the use of the word "comes" but I intended to say that what is in the rule book is what I use as my reference as to what constitutes legal guarding position.

And to get back to my original point, there have been numerous cases this season where defenders who are not in legal guarding position have received favorable charge calls, with no seeming explanation other than they were outside the arc.

Jon

If you can't seem to reconcile what you repeatedly see with what you think the rule is, the most likely explanation is that you don't actually understand the rules as you think you do.

[JPS]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you can't seem to reconcile what you repeatedly see with what you think the rule is, the most likely explanation is that you don't actually understand the rules as you think you do.

That might be true, except for the fact that this has generally not happened before this year, but seems to happen at least once every game I've seen this year. (as I explained earlier)

There's been numerous examples this season where the defender moves sideways into the offensive player, has not set his feet, has not established defensive position etc. and still gets the charging call, whereas in past years these plays were typically ruled blocks.

Jon

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JPS

That might be true, except for the fact that this has generally not happened before this year, but seems to happen at least once every game I've seen this year. (as I explained earlier)

There's been numerous examples this season where the defender moves sideways into the offensive player, has not set his feet, has not established defensive position etc. and still gets the charging call, whereas in past years these plays were typically ruled blocks.

Your posts tell us that you have several misconceptions.

LGP is NOT required to draw a charging foul from an offensive player.

A defender can move sideways and still have LGP.

A defender is allowed to move into the path of the offensive player. He simply needs to get to the spot first and before an airborne shooter leaves the floor.

His feet do not have to be set.

Other than the placement of the arc, officiating these types of plays hasn't changed. Officials are not going to get every call right. They didn't last year and they aren't this year. missing one block/charge a game is not unusual, at any level.

[JPS]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Your posts tell us that you don't understand the rule.

Like I wasn't expecting this. The old canard, you aren't a ref so you can't possibly understand the rules.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

LGP is NOT required to draw a charging foul from an offensive player.

A defender can move sideways and still have LGP.

A defender is allowed to move into the path of the offensive player. He simply needs to get to the spot first and before an airborne shooter leaves the floor.

His feet do not have to be set.

I'm sure you're right. But then on the other hand there are instances where a block is the correct call where the defender has not established LGP, where a block is called when a defender moves sideways into the path of the offensive player, where the defender moves into the path of the offensive player and where his feet are not set.

Obviously it depends on the exact circumstances, which is something that granted I have not been able to provide, since I haven't taken the time to record and document these things.

But despite that, I still maintain that calls which in past years were blocks seem to more and more be called charges. And the examples I've mentioned were all cases where IMO, a block would have been called in past years.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Other than the placement of tha arc, officiating these types of plays hasn't changed. Officials are not going to get every call right. They didn't last year and they aren't this year. missing one block/charge a game is not unusual, at any level.

Certain agree that officials aren't going to get every call right. As to whether the officiating has changed for this particular call, maybe you're right, but that's not been my impression.

Thanks for the response.

Jon

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

LGP is NOT required to draw a charging foul from an offensive player.

Is this wording correct?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JPS

That might be true, except for the fact that this has generally not happened before this year, but seems to happen at least once every game I've seen this year. (as I explained earlier)

Let's look at the facts. The rule has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the restricted area is now marked. So, one of two things has happened.

The plays are being called differently this year, possibly because the fact that the area is now marked changes the perception of the officials.
(I would assume there will be statistics available somewhere, regarding the numbers of blocks vs. charges for each year.)

Or, your perception of these calls has changed.

Which is more likely?