Ball Stuck

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Had a shot that went up over the back board and came to rest on top. Use AP or just treat as OOB to resume play? Thanks!

Having trouble visualizing . . .

If it "went up over the back board", that would be a violation.
If it "came to rest on top", that would result in an AP throw-in.

But how could the second happen after the first? Did it strike a brace or support on the other side of the backboard or something?

Either way, it sounds like a violation happened. 7-1-2b.

[Camron Rust]

It probably came to rest on both the top and against some support....which would make it OOB.

If not, and it just came to rest on just the top, by rule, there is no violation and there is no AP (coming to rest on the flange is an AP since it would be basket interference to touch the ball, but not the top of the board). Time will expire in the quarter unless a player had enough hops to go knock it down or some gust of wind comes along to knock it down.

But, I think I'd apply rule 2-3 on this one to declare it a held ball. Or, you could blow your whistle, declare it an inadvertent whistle, then end up in a held ball just the same.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Having trouble visualizing . . .

If it "went up over the back board", that would be a violation.
If it "came to rest on top", that would result in an AP throw-in.

But how could the second happen after the first? Did it strike a brace or support on the other side of the backboard or something?

Either way, it sounds like a violation happened. 7-1-2b.

Sorry..Ball came to rest between the brace and top of the back board..Jammed into the corner.

I asked this question because my partner and I had a disagreement..I called AP and he treated as OOB. Blue shot the ball and it jams..he awards to white based on OOB and not AP.

Thanks

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Sorry..Ball came to rest between the brace and top of the back board..Jammed into the corner.

I asked this question because my partner and I had a disagreement..I called AP and he treated as OOB. Blue shot the ball and it jams..he awards to white based on OOB and not AP.

Thanks

I thought it would be incredibly difficult for a ball to come to rest only on the top edge of the board. They could make the boards to make is impossible (rounded or sloped top) but it is so unlikely, that would be unnecessary.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I thought it would be incredibly difficult for a ball to come to rest only on the top edge of the board. They could make the boards to make is impossible (rounded or sloped top) but it is so unlikely, that would be unnecessary.

Camron:

Lets assume that the ball actually comes to rest on the top of the backboard and is not touching anything OOB, but the ball came to be there from a Throw-in and not a Field Goal Attempt. Would you treat this the same as a Throw-in that wedges between the rim, flange, and backboard. I am inclined to treat this the same as the Throw-in wedging between the rim, flange, and backboard.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am inclined to treat this the same as the Throw-in wedging between the rim, flange, and backboard.MTD, Sr.

Around here, anytime the ball gets stuck that way we call it a "wedgie".

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Camron:

Lets assume that the ball actually comes to rest on the top of the backboard and is not touching anything OOB, but the ball came to be there from a Throw-in and not a Field Goal Attempt. Would you treat this the same as a Throw-in that wedges between the rim, flange, and backboard. I am inclined to treat this the same as the Throw-in wedging between the rim, flange, and backboard.

MTD, Sr.

I might do so in practice but it is several feet from the flange/rim and it isn't wedged anywhere.

[just another ref]

The play currently under scrutiny is one which is not possible.

Somebody had to say it.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The play currently under scrutiny is one which is not possible.

Somebody had to say it.

It might not be possible but it is probable.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I might do so in practice but it is several feet from the flange/rim and it isn't wedged anywhere.

Camron:

While watching Sports Center this morning I decided to read the NFHS Basketball Rules Book (read the rules book, what a concept, I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier, ) and have come to the conclusion that we just might not have a Throw-in Violation.


To all of those reading this post, I am using the NFHS Rules but the NCAA Rules are the same except that the Sections are Article might be diffderent with the exception of R2-S3 which is the same Rule and Section in both Rules Sets.

NFHS R6-S7-A3 states: "The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when a held ball occurs, or the ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange."

NFHS R6-S7-A5 states: "An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below)." ..... "EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
b. Article 5 or 7 occurs while a try for a free throw is in flight."

NFHS R4-S42-A5 states: "The throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out of bounds,
except as in 7-5-7.
c. The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation."

NFHS R7-S2-A2 states: "The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out-of-bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched." ..... "PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot."

By rule, the ball is still Live and Team A has Team Control of the ball. One of the Game Officials can make the ball Dead by sounding his whistle. That mean's Team A's original Throw-in never ended and Team A should get the ball for a Throw-in. But that creates more problems. Normally the new Throw-in spot should be nearest the spot of the ball when it became Dead, but what if the original Throw-in was (a) an Alternating Possesion Throw-in or (b) a TF penalty. Where would the ensueing Throw-in be and in the case of (a) would this be a continuation of Team A's AP Throw-in or would Team A retain the PA for the next AP Situation?

All very good questions for discussion. Two observations: (1) There is something to be said for returning to the old rule where the throw-in had to be touched by a player on or off the court within five seconds of the start of the throw-in, meaning we ould have had a Throw-in violation by Team A; (2) go back to Jump Balls instead of AP Throw-ins, .

Which brings us back to NFHS R2-S3, and whether we can use it to solve our conondrum.

Enjoy the NFL Playoffs everybody, .

MTD, Sr.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Sorry..Ball came to rest between the brace and top of the back board..Jammed into the corner.

I asked this question because my partner and I had a disagreement..I called AP and he treated as OOB. Blue shot the ball and it jams..he awards to white based on OOB and not AP.

Thanks

By brace, do you mean something that the backboard is attached to? In that case, I'd go OOB.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Sorry..Ball came to rest between the brace and top of the back board..Jammed into the corner.

I asked this question because my partner and I had a disagreement..I called AP and he treated as OOB. Blue shot the ball and it jams..he awards to white based on OOB and not AP.

Thanks

If the brace is some sort of support for the basket, then your partner was right.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

if the brace is some sort of support for the basket, then your partner was right.

+1

[Indianaref]

7-1-2...The ball is out of bounds:...

3. The supports or back of the backboard

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by the_rookie

sorry..ball came to rest between the brace and top of the back board..jammed into the corner.

I asked this question because my partner and i had a disagreement..i called ap and he treated as oob. Blue shot the ball and it jams..he awards to white based on oob and not ap.

Thanks

oob.