Stuck Net

[Ref Daddy]

What you guys donign about a stuck (tangled/over the rim) net?

I normally stop play immediatly as soon as observed. What if I'm prohibiting a fast break opportunity?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

What you guys donign about a stuck (tangled/over the rim) net?

I normally stop play immediatly as soon as observed. What if I'm prohibiting a fast break opportunity?

Then you shouldn't stop play immediately.

[ChuckElias]

Daddy, there are 2 schools of thought on this within this forum.

1) Stop play at the first opportune moment and fix the net. Treat it almost as a player with a minor injury. If nothing is going on, just blow the whistle and take care of it. If there's a fast break, wait till it finishes. But then get it fixed.

2) Don't stop play at all. Just let the players and/or the play dislodge the net the next time down. This is how I handle it. In my 25 years of playing, coaching, and officiating, I've seen a wrapped net stop a ball from entering the basket exactly ONCE. And it was in a practice when one of the guys was screwing around and tightened the net on purpose. The odds of the wrapped net affecting the play are so small that it doesn't justify stopping the game, in my humble opinion.

You should ask around your area to find out how the more experienced guys expect you to handle it.

[Back In The Saddle]

If you're going into a gym where you know the net is likely to get stuck, pre-game with your partner how you'll handle it. IMHO, it makes the crew look inconsistent if each official handles it differently.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
If you're going into a gym where you know the net is likely to get stuck, pre-game with your partner how you'll handle it. IMHO, it makes the crew look inconsistent if each official handles it differently.

I know this will sound sarcastic, please don't take it that way........how would I know this? Please advise.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

I know this will sound sarcastic, please don't take it that way........how would I know this? Please advise.

Old gym and/or old nets...school with little or no budget to replace nets...been there before and experienced it.

BTW...I'm in Chuck's first scenario camp...why not fix it and alleviate the possible/probable complaints?

[Edited by RookieDude on Dec 20th, 2005 at 10:47 AM]

[ChrisSportsFan]

I am not aware of anything that directs us to stop play to fix it. I generally wait til the next dead ball situation. Even then, I will ask a player to show the entire gym his hops. I will not jump up to get it or toss the ball up. I once saw an official toss the ball at the net, he hit the rim and it bounced back quickly off his head. The whole stands enjoyed a laugh at the refs expense. Ever since that I decided not to put myself in that situation.

[zebraman]

I go with Chuck's first option too. If you aren't preventing an advantage for the other team, just stop play and fix it. No harm done and no possibility of the stuck net (no matter how remote) causing you unnecessary grief.

However, that's the generally accepted practice in my area. As Chuck said, if everyone goes by option 2 in your area, you probably don't want to be the only one using option 1.

Z

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by RookieDude

Old gym and/or old nets...school with little or no budget to replace nets...been there before and experienced it.

A couple of years ago there was a school here that bought all new nets for all their gyms -- maybe they found a good deal at CostCo, I don't know. But those nets "stuck" like crazy. By about the fourth game in any gym, all the refs in the association knew that you could afford to just ignore it, it ALWAYS swung back down on the first touch. If we'd have stopped the game for every stuck net, we'd still be finishing the season two years later.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

I know this will sound sarcastic, please don't take it that way........how would I know this? Please advise.

You can usually tell during warmups if you're going to have a problem. I had this happen a couple of years ago where the maintenance guy had replaced one net, but not the other. The old net kept flipping up and getting stuck, so he got out the second new one and had it replaced before we started the game. No problems after that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
I am not aware of anything that directs us to stop play to fix it. I generally wait til the next dead ball situation. Even then, I will ask a player to show the entire gym his hops. I will not jump up to get it or toss the ball up. I once saw an official toss the ball at the net, he hit the rim and it bounced back quickly off his head. The whole stands enjoyed a laugh at the refs expense. Ever since that I decided not to put myself in that situation.

How about...

Rule 1-10 BASKET SIZE, MATERIAL
ART. 1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.


If it is wrapped over the top, it is not suspended. If it is lying across the top of the rim, it can affect any shot that makes contact with it. It should be fixed.

For none of the specifications in rule 1 is a rememdy specified but I doubt anyone would consider continuing play when a breakaway rim didn't return to position after being legally pulled down or when a ball spontaneously goes flat.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

How about...

Rule 1-10 BASKET SIZE, MATERIAL
ART. 1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.


If it is wrapped over the top, it is not suspended. If it is lying across the top of the rim, it can affect any shot that makes contact with it. It should be fixed.

For none of the specifications in rule 1 is a rememdy specified but I doubt anyone would consider continuing play when a breakaway rim didn't return to position after being legally pulled down or when a ball spontaneously goes flat.

It's very well possible that you are comparing apples to oranges.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

Originally posted by Camron Rust

It's very well possible that you are comparing apples to oranges.

And... a comment from camp #1

And hey, I thought it was peach baskets.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

How about...

Rule 1-10 BASKET SIZE, MATERIAL
ART. 1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.


If it is wrapped over the top, it is not suspended. If it is lying across the top of the rim, it can affect any shot that makes contact with it. It should be fixed.

For none of the specifications in rule 1 is a rememdy specified but I doubt anyone would consider continuing play when a breakaway rim didn't return to position after being legally pulled down or when a ball spontaneously goes flat.

Camron,
I thought about this situation a few years back and came to the same conclusion as you. The basket is now illegal due to the position of the net. As a game cannot be continued without the proper equipment as specified in the rules, I believe that the officials have to remedy this.
Hence, I stop play at the first opportunity and fix the net.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Camron,
I thought about this situation a few years back and came to the same conclusion as you. The basket is now illegal due to the position of the net. As a game cannot be continued without the proper equipment as specified in the rules, I believe that the officials have to remedy this.
Hence, I stop play at the first opportunity and fix the net.

I don't...and won't.

Apples and oranges..... and trying to make a rule fit that has nuthin' to do with the actual stuation.