Discussed in an association meeting last night...

[mbyron]

Rich, can you help newbies here with how the situation should have been handled?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Rich, can you help newbies here with how the situation should have been handled?

Since the shot was counted as two points, the game is tied at the end of regulation, so you will be playing OT.

OT starts with two FTs for the visitors with the lane cleared, followed by a division line throw in. Home gets the AP arrow.

Sorry Rich.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Since the shot was counted as two points, the game is tied at the end of regulation, so you will be playing OT.

OT starts with two FTs for the visitors with the lane cleared, followed by a division line throw in. Home gets the AP arrow.

Sorry Rich.

That's fine. That's the rule which is really easy (if you know the rule). If the 4th quarter ends and the score is tied, anything subsequent is part of OT. If the score isn't tied, the technical is part of the fourth quarter (since there is no overtime without a tied score) and FTs are shot if they can affect who wins (or ties) the game.

Some of this stuff comes pretty easy to those of us who have experience and know the rules, but it's just a reminder that a lot of games are worked with 2 first year officials (for example) and reflexive rule knowledge isn't quite there yet.

Of course if the official did ask the varsity officials and they gave the wrong answer (I wasn't there), shame on them.

[jTheUmp]

Relative newbie (3rd season) here.... let me know if I screwed up anywhere.

The 2-point vs 3-point should've been the call of the official who is in the primary.... so if the primary official signaled 3, it should've been 3. However, we're always told to "get the call right" so if the other official is 110% sure the foot was on the line, I'm ok with calling it a 2-point try.

At this point, tie game, 4th quarter is over, and any action thereafter happens in overtime.

Coach technical, therefore, occurs at the start of overtime. 2 shots for the other team with the lane cleared, throw-in at mid-court, arrow pointing to team whose coach got whacked.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Relative newbie (3rd season) here.... let me know if I screwed up anywhere.

The 2-point vs 3-point should've been the call of the official who is in the primary.... so if the primary official signaled 3, it should've been 3. However, we're always told to "get the call right" so if the other official is 110% sure the foot was on the line, I'm ok with calling it a 2-point try.

I would add: (a) partner should be watching the release of the shot, to have an opinion about whether it beat the horn; focusing on the foot is the wrong place. (b) partner should be 100% sure that the foot was WAY over the line; a toenail is not enough to "fix" this.

[tref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I would add: (a) partner should be watching the release of the shot, to have an opinion about whether it beat the horn; focusing on the foot is the wrong place. (b) partner should be 100% sure that the foot was WAY over the line; a toenail is not enough to "fix" this.

Way over? On the line is 2... as long as it shows up on the game film.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

Way over? On the line is 2... as long as it shows up on the game film.

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

The same look we'd get in a 2-person varsity game, which probably 60% of my games are. Probably not one I'd touch *unless* it's an elephant on the court. My partners know though that I wouldn't come unless I absolutely had to.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The same look we'd get in a 2-person varsity game, which probably 60% of my games are. Probably not one I'd touch *unless* it's an elephant on the court. My partners know though that I wouldn't come unless I absolutely had to.

Yeah, I agree. I have only given information to another official unsolicited once this year, and that was on an OOB call. It was a 3-person game and I was the Center. The ball got deflected and went OOB on my side of the lane on the endline, and I was positive about who caused it to go OOB. The Lead called it differently, so I just went to him and asked him how sure he was. He said he wasn't as sure as he would like to be, so I gave him what I had and he changed it.

I can see giving info on a 3-point shot if you're sure though. It is usually one in the gray area around the FT line extended. Lead marks the shot and Trail sees a foot on the line.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a JV game? With 2 officials? How good a look do you think partner got?

Depends on where the shot was taken from. (where's mr. grammar guy?)

If it was near the FT line extended on L's side, both would have a look.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Depends on where the shot was taken from. (where's mr. grammar guy?)

If it was near the FT line extended on L's side, both would have a look.

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