Player Raising His/Her Hand When They Commit a Foul

[just another ref]

And when it was a rule, and even afterward, the wrong player often raised his hand intentionally to try to take a foul from another player. It still happens occasionally.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And when it was a rule, and even afterward, the wrong player often raised his hand intentionally to try to take a foul from another player. It still happens occasionally.

Yep, have had that tried in a couple of my games as well. Attention to detail while reporting is a good thing (official scorer, that is).

[Rich]

It was a dumb practice, IMO. As was the bird-dog. As was, without a doubt, the requirement of the trail official to initiate a rotation across the court in order to put the officials "in the Cadillac."

Some things change for good reasons.

OTOH, I still think the trail going tableside on a foul in 2-person is awful. I think the person counting, chopping, etc. should be opposite. Nobody asked me, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It was a dumb practice, IMO. As was the bird-dog.
Some things change for good reasons.

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

I like it, in certain situations. Two guys giving the open palm "WHO? ME??" What better way to inform one than to point him out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well in most mechanics that are written, bird dogging has not gone away. And it still has its place if you ask me.

Peace

I may do it once or twice a game.

What I'm talking about (being ridiculous) is the requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air (as if startled) and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On EVERY foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I may do it once or twice a game.

What I'm talking about (being ridiculous) is the requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air (as if startled) and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On EVERY foul.

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul. That was silly when a play is on the perimeter and everyone knew who the foul was on. I was more referring to the play near the basket where there is a possible crash, but the player from behind pulls his arm and clearly fouls from your angle, and the player that crashed into the shooter thinks it was him. And I do use it sparingly. Not sure I use it every game, but I do use it.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul. That was silly when a play is on the perimeter and everyone knew who the foul was on. I was more referring to the play near the basket where there is a possible crash, but the player from behind pulls his arm and clearly fouls from your angle, and the player that crashed into the shooter thinks it was him. And I do use it sparingly. Not sure I use it every game, but I do use it.

Peace

Here's a good video:

Bird dog, belted pants, Byron collars, chair thrown across the court....

Bobby Knight throws a chair (High Quality) - YouTube

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The requirement to thrust the fist straight up in the air and then make an exaggerated palm-down birddog at the fouler's waist. On every foul.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I totally agree with you about doing it on every foul.

From the IAABO mechanics manual (page 52, A, 4) When clarification is necessary, extend the other arm, with palm down, toward the fouler's midsection.

I don't have access to a NFHS manual.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Yep, have had that tried in a couple of my games as well.

Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?

I'm not talking about confusing the scorekeeper. In a crowd, are you always 100% sure who committed the foul?

[Sco53]

I see more hands up showing " I didn't foul" than ones showing they did

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Really? Seldom does anyone raise their hand that I've seen around here, let alone the wrong player.

Just the same, would any decent scorekeeper pay attention to a raised arm instead of the reporting official?

Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.

Didn't say it happened often; just that it has happened before.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Yep, really. Believe it or not, some coaches actually encourage the behavior on the off chance it might possibly get a foul pulled away from one of their better players. Scandalous.

Beliveable, for sure. Still, I question its effectiveness. How many scorekeepers look for the raised hand, as opposed to the official's report?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Beliveable, for sure. Still, I question its effectiveness. How many scorekeepers look for the raised hand, as opposed to the official's report?

I'm pretty sure jar addressed this, but just in case you didn't read it:

It's not meant to confuse the scorer. It's meant to "convince" the officials.