Correctable Error At The End Of Game?

[MOofficial]

Tie Score
2 Seconds Left
A1 is fouled and TEAM A is in the 1-1 bonus.
Shot misses and time runs out.
Before the OT the scorers table informs the officials that it should be been a 2 shot foul instead of a 1 and 1. What do you do?

I'm saying you are still in the correctable error time frame because the 2nd live ball has not came yet because OT has not started so you go back and shoot the last shot with the lane cleared, no time on the clock. If he makes it, the game is over. If he misses it, they go to OT

Let me know if this is correct or incorrect and if anyone has the rule reference that would be great!

Thanks!

P.S This did not happen in a game of mine. This was an email that I received.

[deecee]

shoot the free throw and then start OT. The correction goes to the POI. Once the quarter ends tied action that happens after that is part of the OT.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

shoot the free throw and then start OT. The correction goes to the POI. Once the quarter ends tied action that happens after that is part of the OT.

Not correct. Once the OT starts, then the OT must finish. But, the CE is still part of the 4th quarter. (and, yes, I know OT is also part of the 4th quarter, but bringing that up leads to an infinite loop.)

The OP had it right.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not correct. Once the OT starts, then the OT must finish. But, the CE is still part of the 4th quarter. (and, yes, I know OT is also part of the 4th quarter, but bringing that up leads to an infinite loop.)

The OP had it right.

but Bob - doesn't the CE go to POI. In this case it's the end of the 4th and the start of OT?

[MOofficial]

But the POI would be the free throw. The time had ran out and you do not put time back on for a correctable error. So in this case the error occurred with 2 seconds and then the time had ran out and you will not put time back on the clock.

Is that a correct interpretation?

[MOofficial]

Go into the case book.

Rule 2.10.1 Situation B

[tref]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

Tie Score
2 Seconds Left
A1 is fouled and TEAM A is in the 1-1 bonus.
Shot misses and time runs out.
Before the OT the scorers table informs the officials that it should be been a 2 shot foul instead of a 1 and 1. What do you do?

Personally, I do not know how to administer CEs as well as I should. Too much live/dead ball & before/after the clock starts/stops for me. So I just choose not to have them in my games. *knock-knock*

Did the board not show "10" after the foul was reported?

I dont care if the table buzzes & says 1 and 1 or 2... we are not administering any FTs until there is a 7 or 10 on the board.
On the 6th & 9th fouls its wise to visually/verbally say the next white foul is bonus or double to our partners.

Originally Posted by deecee

but Bob - doesn't the CE go to POI. In this case it's the end of the 4th and the start of OT?

When does OT start?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by tref

Personally, I do not know how to administer CEs as well as I should. Too much live/dead ball & before/after the clock starts/stops for me. So I just choose not to have them in my games. *knock-knock*

Did the board not show "10" after the foul was reported?

I dont care if the table buzzes & says 1 and 1 or 2... we are not administering any FTs until there is a 7 or 10 on the board.
On the 6th & 9th fouls its wise to visually/verbally say the next white foul is bonus or double to our partners.




When does OT start?

When does a game start?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by tref

I dont care if the table buzzes & says 1 and 1 or 2... we are not administering any FTs until there is a 7 or 10 on the board.

Two problems:

1. Some scoreboards do not show team fouls.

2. Some scoreboards that have that capability have nobody operating that part.

[tref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Two problems:

1. Some scoreboards do not show team fouls.

2. Some scoreboards that have that capability have nobody operating that part.

Thank God they dont send me to those locations anymore :-)
FTR, if the scoreboard isn't working properly I gladly accept the challenge of keeping track of team fouls in my head as well as verifying where we are with the book, on the fly. I also, tell them to let me know on the 6th & 9th & have the visiting book concur.

I'm sorry but CEs can be avoided if a crew of 3 are on point.

I once heard a wise man say, we may not get every call correct tonight, but there is no reason we cant be perfect administratively.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Thank God they dont send me to those locations anymore :-)

It's also a regional thing. Out here where football is king and even the smallest football fields have 25 second clocks, you don't see many gyms with those scoreboards.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

I guess thats why they have a visiting rep at the table to concur that info, that plus keeping track of it yourself should be suffice.

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's also a regional thing. Out here where football is king and even the smallest football fields have 25 second clocks, you don't see many gyms with those scoreboards.

Which leads me to believe that you guys are pretty sharp when it comes to mentally keeping track of team fouls.

If not, just ask the coaches, they always know ;-)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The key thing to remember from the Casebook Play is that the second free throw is part of the fourth quarter so by rule the game is not over because the penalty for the foul has not been completed and no penalty can carry over to a new period.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game.

It can always get worse. Years ago, I went to call jr. high games at a new charter school, that was just starting out. The games were played in a church gym. When I arrived, the guy who was to keep the clock asked a few questions.

"When do we shoot free throws?"

"One and one on the 7th. Two on the 10th."

"Will you tell us or do we need to keep up with it?"



Wait, there's more.

Partner had wrong directions to the site, and was late arriving. Principal told me what happened. "He's on his way, but we want to go ahead and get started. He's going to help you until the other guy gets here." He was pointing at the clock keeper.