Correctable Error At The End Of Game?

[tref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Two problems:

1. Some scoreboards do not show team fouls.

2. Some scoreboards that have that capability have nobody operating that part.

Thank God they dont send me to those locations anymore :-)
FTR, if the scoreboard isn't working properly I gladly accept the challenge of keeping track of team fouls in my head as well as verifying where we are with the book, on the fly. I also, tell them to let me know on the 6th & 9th & have the visiting book concur.

I'm sorry but CEs can be avoided if a crew of 3 are on point.

I once heard a wise man say, we may not get every call correct tonight, but there is no reason we cant be perfect administratively.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Thank God they dont send me to those locations anymore :-)

It's also a regional thing. Out here where football is king and even the smallest football fields have 25 second clocks, you don't see many gyms with those scoreboards.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

I guess thats why they have a visiting rep at the table to concur that info, that plus keeping track of it yourself should be suffice.

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's also a regional thing. Out here where football is king and even the smallest football fields have 25 second clocks, you don't see many gyms with those scoreboards.

Which leads me to believe that you guys are pretty sharp when it comes to mentally keeping track of team fouls.

If not, just ask the coaches, they always know ;-)

[Welpe]

Well maybe the varsity officials around here...certainly not me. I get an general inkling but I don't have a counter going in my head yet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I guess thats why they have a visiting rep at the table to concur that info, that plus keeping track of it yourself should be suffice.)

I'm not as worried in high school games, but there are some where there's no v book. Besides, I'm working some Gold Crown this year, and that's where I could see it happening.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not as worried in high school games, but there are some where there's no v book. Besides, I'm working some Gold Crown this year, and that's where I could see it happening.

I'm sure we never lost any sleep over mistakes "those" games :-)

You work for JW?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I'm sure we never lost any sleep over mistakes "those" games :-)

You work for JW?

Yep.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Worrying about the POI is moot:

It is indeed moot. But this whole thread has been operating under a misunderstanding of the correctable error rule in regards to the point of interruption.

After fixing a correctable error, play is resumed at the point of interruption UNLESS the error is failing to award a merited free throw and there's been no change of possession.

So how we would resume the game (if there were time left to resume the game) would depend on who gained possession of the rebound after the missed first free throw.

In the original poster's situation, the free throw is attempted with no on the lane because there is no time on the clock.

But if this same thing happened with 4 minutes left in the game, we would have to know who had possession before the error was discovered. If the shooting team got the rebound and then we discovered the error, we'd simply line up to shoot the merited free throw and then play off the make or miss.

If Team B secured the rebound (or had stolen the ball from Team A before the error was discovered), THEN we'd shoot the merited free throw with the lane cleared and resume at the POI.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep.

I work with him Saturday, gotta remember not to double down on his calls

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The key thing to remember from the Casebook Play is that the second free throw is part of the fourth quarter so by rule the game is not over because the penalty for the foul has not been completed and no penalty can carry over to a new period.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game.

It can always get worse. Years ago, I went to call jr. high games at a new charter school, that was just starting out. The games were played in a church gym. When I arrived, the guy who was to keep the clock asked a few questions.

"When do we shoot free throws?"

"One and one on the 7th. Two on the 10th."

"Will you tell us or do we need to keep up with it?"



Wait, there's more.

Partner had wrong directions to the site, and was late arriving. Principal told me what happened. "He's on his way, but we want to go ahead and get started. He's going to help you until the other guy gets here." He was pointing at the clock keeper.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The title of this thread is in my top five fears for a game. It's all too possible for the table to screw this up.
Me: "Is that ten?"
Table: "nope, nine."
After the horn, "Wait, that WAS ten."

Once we hit 6 I'm tracking the rest in my head until we hit 10.