Judging a "judgement" call

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Just take out the word, "generally".

If a coach politely asks me if a field goal from behind the arc is three points, I'm not gong to pretend that it's not. He knows the rule, and I know the rule.

I use generally because if my partner calls something that is a clear misapplication n of the rule and I'm asked by the coach before I get to address it, I'll acknowledge the coach's point and then go deal with it.

Example: Throwin form the frountcourt endline that is thrown over everyone's head into the backcourt where A1 goes to get it. Partner calls a backcourt violation as soon as A1 first touches the ball.....and coach says "hey, i thought that was legal". I'll acknowledge the coach and then go to my partner.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Not on A1 but at least you would know what the ball did, no?

Bodies in between I doubt I'll see his feet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Bodies in between I doubt I'll see his feet.

That's my point.

[just another ref]

And even if you did think you saw his feet, if your partner right in front of him calls a travel, are you going to go over and question it?

It is unlikely that I would.

[Eastshire]

This thread needs to quit happening in my games.

Last night, my partner was administering a sideline throw-in in the front court as trail. The throw-in pass was made and had bounced in the middle of the floor when he blew his whistle for a violation. I was a little confused because there was no one near the ball at the time but decided the thrower must have stepped on the line and the whistle was a little late.

As I'm collecting the ball, the coach says "The ball was in the air." To which my partner replied from across the court "It has to be touched within 5 seconds." So I go to confer with him and explain that it's released in 5 not touched in 5 but he's adamant his call is correct.

The worst part is that in the locker room after the game, he asks the varsity crew while I'm looking up the rule and all three of them agreed with him. They were shocked when I showed them the rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

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The worst part is that in the locker room after the game, he asks the varsity crew while I'm looking up the rule and all three of them agreed with him. They were shocked when I showed them the rule.

Please, please tell me you are embellishing here.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Please, please tell me you are embellishing here.

I wish I was; they demanded the case book to try to find a reason why the rule didn't mean what it said.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I wish I was; they demanded the case book to try to find a reason why the rule didn't mean what it said.

Flashback from the "70's

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I wish I was; they demanded the case book to try to find a reason why the rule didn't mean what it said.

Good grief.

[Smitty]

Was watching the JV game before my V games last night and the exact scenario in the OP happened right before my eyes. Could not believe it. A1 throws up an airball from 3 ft. (clearly a shot) and gets his own rebound. L calls a travel (2 whistle game). As he's getting ready to administer the throw-in for Team B, his partner calls him over to discuss it. I am thrilled and expect them to get it right. Instead, they do nothing and give the ball to Team B. Good grief. I spoke with them in the locker room after the game and they said they weren't 100% sure that it was right/wrong so they went with what was called. I informed them they were wrong.

Even worse, my partners weren't sure I was right about the rule.

I emailed our rules interpreter and suggested he send it out in one of his "rules of the week" emails.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Smitty

...Even worse, my partners weren't sure I was right about the rule.

I emailed our rules interpreter and suggested he send it out in one of his "rules of the week" emails.

Man, this is killing me. All these varsity officials who don't know some of the basic rules.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I wish I was; they demanded the case book to try to find a reason why the rule didn't mean what it said.

Same refs who will make snide remarks if they find out you've been to camps during the off-season.

Used to work with those kind of guys around here. But most (if not all) of those type went to the new association that formed.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Was watching the JV game before my V games last night and the exact scenario in the OP happened right before my eyes. Could not believe it. A1 throws up an airball from 3 ft. (clearly a shot) and gets his own rebound. L calls a travel (2 whistle game). As he's getting ready to administer the throw-in for Team B, his partner calls him over to discuss it. I am thrilled and expect them to get it right. Instead, they do nothing and give the ball to Team B. Good grief. I spoke with them in the locker room after the game and they said they weren't 100% sure that it was right/wrong so they went with what was called. I informed them they were wrong.

Even worse, my partners weren't sure I was right about the rule.

I emailed our rules interpreter and suggested he send it out in one of his "rules of the week" emails.

Thats what I was saying yesterday, dont provide info if you arent 100% sure.

It sounds as if we have a lot of posers amongst us, due to the economy.
Many of the newer guys I'm running across that dont know basic 101 rules truly believe that since they played/coached they dont need to crack open the book.
"I've played all my life & coached for 14 years."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Man, this is killing me. All these varsity officials who don't know some of the basic rules.

But I'm sure they have great court presence!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Man, this is killing me. All these varsity officials who don't know some of the basic rules.

I agree. It reminds me of the two varsity officials I worked with (in a JV game) who insisted they had blown it by calling a kid for traveling when he caught a rebound while airborne and landed on his arse. They thought maybe his rear became the pivot.

Or the guys who call the "first to touch" violation in high school when it wouldn't even apply in college.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But I'm sure they have great court presence!