Successive Time Outs

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2

So if at the end of the fourth quarter with the score tied, coach A gets a technical. Coach B then requests a time out and it is granted. If time out is requested again by either coach before the second technical free throw is taken, it will be denied since the clock never started, however the ball did become live on the first free throw.

Gotta be careful in the situation you cited. With the game tied, that technical is technically still part of the fourth quarter exclusive of any extra period that may or not be necessary, since the results of the free throw would determine the outcome of the game (state test question on that this year). Then, regarding successive time-outs, 5-11-7 says, "Successive time-outs, as in 4-43-2, shall not be granted after the expiration of playing time for the fourth quarter or any extra period." So, seems to me, Coach B's request shouldn't have been granted if it was requested with the game tied, prior to the time that "the ball has become live to start the extra period(s), ala 5-11-5.
Tricky stuff, techinically.
Am I on the right track with this?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Gotta be careful in the situation you cited. With the game tied, that technical is technically still part of the fourth quarter exclusive of any extra period that may or not be necessary, since the results of the free throw would determine the outcome of the game (state test question on that this year). Then, regarding successive time-outs, 5-11-7 says, "Successive time-outs, as in 4-43-2, shall not be granted after the expiration of playing time for the fourth quarter or any extra period." So, seems to me, Coach B's request shouldn't have been granted if it was requested with the game tied, prior to the time that "the ball has become live to start the extra period(s), ala 5-11-5.
Tricky stuff, techinically.
Am I on the right track with this?

Why? The quarter ended...

5.6 Comment B

Then, 5.12.3 Situation B

What is 5-11-5?

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Why? The quarter ended...

5.6 Comment B

Then, 5.12.3 Situation B

What is 5-11-5?

No use sitting here wrong when I can stand corrected.

The sitch in our test dealt with technical free throws that would be shot as part of the fourth quarter because the need to have an extra period was not yet determined -- the shooting team was down by 1.

Thanx for the correction, guys. I'm spending the rest of the afternoon reviewing 5-11 as my act of penance.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Am I on the right track with this?

No.

One TO can be granted after time expires (but before the quarter ends).

I assume (yeah, I know) that Loudwhistle's situation had the T occuring just as / before time expired (but the clock couldn't be stopped before it expired and no official had definite knowledge of the time ...). So, the T was part of the fourth quarter, and the FTs would be shot even if the score was tied. Here, one TO is allowed.

If the period ended and THEN Coach A got the T, we'd start the OT with the FTS because the game was tied.