Wagner @ Santa Clara last shot

[Nevadaref]

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, so here it is for discussion and those who haven't seen it.

Kenny Ortiz's Game-Winning Shot - YouTube

[JugglingReferee]

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, so here it is for discussion and those who haven't seen it.

Kenny Ortiz's Game-Winning Shot - YouTube

That is the PERFECT camera angle! Looks good to me as it hit the front of the rim first. If it had been a "swish" I think it may have been a violation.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by CoachP

That is the PERFECT camera angle! Looks good to me as it hit the front of the rim first. If it had been a "swish" I think it may have been a violation.

Why??

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

Why??

Because the shot would have passed over the backboard from behind.

[letemplay]

Is this a reviewable play?

[Raymond]

Only reviewable to see if shot was released in time, not for trajectory.

[ballgame99]

should be no good right? it went over the backboard. Whether it swishes or bounces on the rim 10 times shouldn't matter.

It also looks like the first shot landed out of bounds, but that is a different argument.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

should be no good right? it went over the backboard. Whether it swishes or bounces on the rim 10 times shouldn't matter.

You are correct that the issue is the trajectory itself, and not whether the ball hits the rim. The point is that the trajectory from (about) the spot the ball was released might be (barely) legal if it results in the ball hitting the rim and (barely) illegal if it goes straight through.

It looks to me as if it's legal, but I'm not sure we can really tell (and no, I didn't do a frame-by-frame analysis).

[rickman5]

Does the ball not bounce OOB off of the first try?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by rickman5

Does the ball not bounce OOB off of the first try?

I think it did.

[BEAREF]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Because the shot would have passed over the backboard from behind.

Then it shouldn't matter if it hit the rim first or is a "swish". It would be a violation regardless. That is the reason for my question "why".

[bainsey]

I didn't see a ball go over the top of the backboard. If it's not illegal, it's legal.

I still love the radio call, though. Oh, sweet bias!

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Whether it swishes or bounces on the rim 10 times shouldn't matter.

That was not my point.

Connect the dots (point of release ---> front of rim). That line of flight "seems" to not pass over the backboard.

If it would have been a "swish" that line would seem to pass over the backboard.

[Camron Rust]

Legal shot.

The shot went up roughly inline with the edge of the board (as viewed by the camera) and came down on a line in front of the edge of the board (as viewed by the camera). That means that the ball, at it's peak, short of a massive wind gust to move it, was (or at least most of the ball was) outside the corner of the board.

Of course, there is the issue of whether the rule means it is a violation if part of the ball, the center of the ball, or the whole ball passes over the top. If it were any part of the ball, I'd think this would be a violation (I think some of the ball probably did clip the space above the backboard) but if it were the center of the ball or the whole ball, no violation.