Uncalled Cheap Shots

[chseagle]

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

What the video shows is not the standard of play for Connell High.

Hopefully I'll have the opportunity to speak with both the Principal & AD about the video & the potential threats made in the comments on Wednesday.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Peace

The AD can however remove unruly fans for unsportsmanlike conduct. He can also make the request to the Boys' coach that the player be removed from the game or face some sort of penalty.

[Sco53]

The GHSA video linked on post #18 is very good!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

He can also make the request to the Boys' coach that the player be removed from the game or face some sort of penalty.

OK, I just have to ask. What sort of penalty are you thinking the AD can impose upon the coach of another school? Can he turn off the hot water in the vistors' showers?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

OK, I just have to ask. What sort of penalty are you thinking the AD can impose upon the coach of another school? Can he turn off the hot water in the vistors' showers?

Not against the visiting school, I was meaning can impose some penalty against the home coach/player for allowing such activities to happen.

Unfortunately I was not there that night, so I have no idea how the home coach responded to the calls/action.

I do know that is not the normal play for the team, White 34 should have been sitting after the first incident by the coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The AD can however remove unruly fans for unsportsmanlike conduct. He can also make the request to the Boys' coach that the player be removed from the game or face some sort of penalty.

He can make any request off the court he likes. He cannot do that in the middle of the game or in a way that disrupts the game.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He can make any request off the court he likes. He cannot do that in the middle of the game or in a way that disrupts the game.

Peace

He can certainly DIRECT his coach to address 34's play immediately.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

He can certainly DIRECT his coach to address 34's play immediately.

Now there's something within his purview.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

He can certainly DIRECT his coach to address 34's play immediately.

He can do a lot of things, but that does not make it appropriate. And that certainly does not have anything to do with what we are seeing on this video.

This is also HS, not college or the pros. An AD might not even be the person that hires the coach or makes the decision. So to suggest that an AD can direct what a coach does is not always true. Many schools the AD makes sure of other things with their athletic program, but they are not always or in many cases the boss of the coach. And again, that has nothing to do with what is happening on this video.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He can make any request off the court he likes. He cannot do that in the middle of the game or in a way that disrupts the game.

Peace

Now that I know he's talking about the home coach, the AD can certainly say something to the coach. He is his boss, after all (unless it's one of those schools where the boys basketball coach has more pull than the AD).

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now that I know he's talking about the home coach, the AD can certainly say something to the coach. He is his boss, after all (unless it's one of those schools where the boys basketball coach has more pull than the AD).

+1

That's my impression of what an AD is hired to do. And that has EVERYTHING to do with what we see in this video...an out of control player representing a school with the implied consent of a coach.

[bainsey]

Assuming these fouls are in chronological order in the video (and man, what a rough first half, if so), here's what I have...

Foul #1: Hard, but common. #34 White is certainly on my radar now.
Foul #2: Common. #42 white had no chance to get the ball, but at least he went for it.
Foul #3: The only reason I'm not going with intentional here is #34 was completely fooled and tried to block a shot that wasn't there. (This is not a skilled player.) I certainly won't argue if my partner went INT, though.
Foul #4: Intentional, #42 white. Juggling makes a good case for a blocking foul the other way, but when I see outstretched arms, I have a benefit of the doubt for red.
Foul #5: Flagrant. Had this been a first hard foul for anyone, I'd have intentional, but #34 would have earned a DQ for that one.
Foul #6: Common.

[ga314ref]

...is the near equivalent of a hockey goon. In context, foul #1 might get just treated as a hard foul, but once he commits a similar action (as he did in #3, and definitely #5), he's gone. In scenario #2, I don't understand how no push is called on White 34 (even though Red 20 got the rebound), or even a double foul on Red 20 and White 42. That was an opportunity to send a message, and the official let the rough play continue.

For me, White 34 was a big problem, and not adequately addressing his misbehavior was a mistake. Also, none of these officials looked like they were physically or attitunidally up to this type of game. White 34 stands with a smirk on his face after nearly decapitating an opponent, and you have a friendly chat with him? That's disgraceful.

If you're not willing to handle business, you shouldn't be involved in this type work.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now that I know he's talking about the home coach, the AD can certainly say something to the coach. He is his boss, after all (unless it's one of those schools where the boys basketball coach has more pull than the AD).

There are a lot of schools where the board makes coaching decisions and the AD at a HS is not always the boss. That is semantics certainly to this conversation. Then if the AD can do this, why not the Superintendent? Why about the Principal? You guys really want some person coming onto the court addressing issues with a coach during the game? What if they do not like how a kid is shooting or turning over the ball? Is that appropriate for that situation too?

Once again what conversations they have off the court is their business. But during the game unless it happens by the bench and does not disrupt the game, that is going to be a problem. Just like it would be a problem if some fan approached the benches or someone came out of the stands and approached the bench (which happened somewhere in my state and was addressed by the IHSA). What they talk about in the locker room or in an office is not my concern. But if you are coming from the floor addressing an issue in the game I have a problem with that. And we have no idea what was said anyway, we are watching clips that someone produced at different times in the game, it is impossible to know what was or was not said at any time. We cannot take some poster's assumption of what was taking place in this entire game.

Peace