Uncalled Cheap Shots

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This is common in my association and I'm not sure our group of officials are alone in this. Game awareness is so important from the time we take the court until we leave the court.

I remember this past summer when I was at a camp and we had a few fights as I was watching the games during one day. The thing I kept preaching was these things do not just happen. There usually are multiple signs and you must notice them or fights will happen. I think many are so concerned with other things like getting the number and calling the foul, they are not worried about what other actions they see.

Peace

[deecee]

This is an awful display of officiating. Absolutely, completely disgraceful.

[Freddy]

For anyone who might have missed it, a poster gave a terrifically helpful link to the Georgia State Association's 2011 training video on the topic of "Fighting". Included is the advice mentioned above that things like this don't just happen all of a sudden, that there are identifiable precursors we should be alert for to keep stuff like this from happening.
This is a great resource for any association meeting.
Link: http://http://www.ghsa.net/basketball. Scroll down to 2011 Training Video.

[chseagle]

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

What the video shows is not the standard of play for Connell High.

Hopefully I'll have the opportunity to speak with both the Principal & AD about the video & the potential threats made in the comments on Wednesday.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

In a couple of clips, you'll see the AD in the corner (purple with white stripes polo). He just stands there & does nothing even when the Highland fans start spouting off unsporting comments towards #34 & the officials.

What the video shows is not the standard of play for Connell High.

Hopefully I'll have the opportunity to speak with both the Principal & AD about the video & the potential threats made in the comments on Wednesday.

Don't know about the principal, but the AD was there. What do you intend to tell him?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Don't know about the principal, but the AD was there. What do you intend to tell him?

Just show him the video. It speaks for itself.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Don't know about the principal, but the AD was there. What do you intend to tell him?

The principal was there as well, it's a high rarity to not have both present.

I sent both an e-mail with a link to the video mentioning that there have been threats made against the players & coaches.

All I can do is ask their thoughts and make some observations of what I saw.

After watching the video 5 times, I am thinking that there had to be some physical play from Highland as well.

It's just that there was biased opinion since the person who made the video was from Highland and Highland has been known in the past to play a physical game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Peace

The AD can however remove unruly fans for unsportsmanlike conduct. He can also make the request to the Boys' coach that the player be removed from the game or face some sort of penalty.

[refiator]

I'm with the majority here. 1 play (#5) was possibly flagrant. 2-3 others intentional, and 1-2 simply "hard" fouls.
#34 needs to learn the game before he kills someone.

[Sco53]

The GHSA video linked on post #18 is very good!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Boy, saw this yesterday...Thoughts or comments? Maybe this is what happens when they fire CHSEagle?!?!?

Flagrant foul no-calls Highland @ Connell 12/22/11 - YouTube

Foul #1 - INT.
Foul #2 - common foul.
Foul #3 - INT.
Foul #4 - 34 red for block, 42 white for T. False double. 34 red didn't give time and distance to a player without the ball.
Foul #5 - Flagrant DQ.
Foul #6 - common foul.


Edit: I've seen guys like 34 white time enough. I identify them on foul #1 and try to use my voice early with guys like that.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Plays two and six, I have nothing in of themselves. The other plays, at minimum would be an intentional foul in my book in of themselves (with the fifth play being a straight flagrant by itself) but since we have number 34 for white not seemingly attempting to play any legit defense, he would have been tossed well before we got to those other plays.

More or less the way I saw it....2, maybe 3, are just common fouls. Hard, yes, but not meeting the definition of intentional. A couple are intentional. One, maybe two could/would be flagrant.

They're certainly not all flagrant as the video suggests.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by refiator

I'm with the majority here. 1 play (#5) was possibly flagrant. 2-3 others intentional, and 1-2 simply "hard" fouls.
#34 needs to learn the game before he kills someone.

I don't believe 34 has any interest in learning the game. I believe he is there at the coach's direction to do exactly what we see in the video. No legitimate coach would keep this goon in a game for more than a minute or two. I can't imagine why a coach would even put him on the floor except to intimidate the other team. Its obvious he has zero basketball skills. A truly disgusting display by the player, his coach, and the oblivious officials working the game. One can only hope somebody at the state office address this nonsense immediately.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The AD has no role to do anything, at least not say anything to the players or the officials. That is not the ADs job to say during the game.

Disagree.

The AD is the director of athletics at the school. He oversees all of the goings on involving athletics at the school. It's a home game. He absolutely has the power to step out on the court and yank those pieces of garbage off the floor, send them to the locker room and tell them they won't play another game in a CHS uniform.

But, he didn't.