Shirts (Poll)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In fact, they've specifically said that they are not mandatory, and that the crew can mix and match (old-style patch, embroidered sleeve, embroidered sleeve-and-chest)

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There still is a standard. Everyone has the same patch or embroidery on their shirt.

There would seem to be a contradiction.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There would seem to be a contradiction.

Here is what is required. Officials must wear a patch on their left sleeve (properly placed of course) if they are IHSA officials. A few years ago they allowed a company to add a embroidery "patch" in the place of the typical patch. They also allowed that same company to put on embroidery on the left chest "pocket" area as well.

What Bob is talking about it is allowed that if one official has the traditional blue patch, another official can have the embroidery on the sleeve and the other officials could have the sleeve and chest embroidered and it would be OK. And the reason was they did not want officials to feel compelled to go out and buy new stuff just to fit with every official they work with. As was stated we all do not work with the same people from the same places or sometimes the same people in a conference, so it would be expensive for someone to have all styles.

All that is required is something be on the left sleeve of the shirt and they type of "patch" is optional as well as the other types of embroidery.

It was really not a contradiction, I just was not clear what was required.

Peace

[Rich]

We are expected to wear shirts with no side panel. No patches (other than an American flag, which is optional and placed on the sleeve) are allowed or expected. I have some issues with WI being behind the times (especially in how they handled the whole 3-person officiating thing), but they're spot on by not requiring patches on shirts.

[JugglingReferee]

Uniforms should be a state thing.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Uniforms should be a state thing.

+1

Local associations shouldn't dictate uniform rules. They can't for players' unis and they shouldn't for officials.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

We are expected to wear shirts with no side panel. No patches (other than an American flag, which is optional and placed on the sleeve) are allowed or expected. I have some issues with WI being behind the times (especially in how they handled the whole 3-person officiating thing), but they're spot on by not requiring patches on shirts.

I've chided you before on no patches(patches? we don't need no stinkin' patches)

I prefer one simple small state patch on sleeve, it shows you're legit. No patch to me implies I work at footlocker.

2 man and no patch? At least you have Zigs and the Packers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I prefer one simple small state patch on sleeve, it shows you're legit. No patch to me implies I work at footlocker.

Guys, and gals, who pass the written test, and the floor test, in the November, work without an IAABO patch throughout their first season. They don't get their IAABO patch until our business meeting in March. Some coaches, and fans, know this and will make comments about rookie mistakes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I've chided you before on no patches(patches? we don't need no stinkin' patches)

I prefer one simple small state patch on sleeve, it shows you're legit. No patch to me implies I work at footlocker.

I went to the Badgers game yesterday and I didn't see a patch. I'm certain those guys are legit.

When I work a HS varsity game or a junior college game, I don't think anyone has any problem whatsoever understanding that we're there to work a game and not sell shoes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I don't think anyone has any problem whatsoever understanding that we're there to work a game and not sell shoes.

Then why do fans keep asking me if I like working at Footlocker?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I prefer one simple small state patch on sleeve, it shows you're legit.

How?

Honig's, GD, et al, don't ask me for my IHSA number before I order a shirt.

You can take the test once, get a patch, and then never take a test / go to a meeting again. That's hardly legit.

I'm certain that someone could get a patch "from a friend" without ever taking a test / registering with the IHSA.

Schools and assigners know that only IHSA registered officials are to be used. Most (well, mnay) assigners check. That's the control -- not a stupid piece of stichery.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Honig's ... don't ask me for my IHSA number before I order a shirt. You can take the test once, get a patch, and then never take a test / go to a meeting again.

I can't verify that this is true, but our rookies are told every year that they must wait until their names are sent from our local IAABO board secretary to Honigs before they can order a shirt, with an IAABO patch, from Honigs. I have never purchased anything online from Honigs, but whenever I purchase a shirt, in person, they ask me for my name, and check it against some type of online database. Maybe it's all smoke, and mirrors, but there appears to be some form of accountability, at least with Honigs, and IAABO,

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Partially true. I believe just one supplier chose to have two position embroidery of same logo on same side of shirt, which is pretty silly. Most suppliers have left sleeve logo. IMHO other shirt looks like something out of nascar.

Actually what happened is that IHSA allowed the patches to be put on with a particular company after they had an exclusive contract to be the "official supplier" for the IHSA. That particular company came up with the chest patch I am sure with the approval of the IHSA and that is how that entire thing started. They never required all officials to have the same shirt from day one. The problem like anything people who are not around at certain events assume or do not hear what was discussed and keep putting out incorrect information. It happens all the time and certainly not just in our state I am sure.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

How?

Honig's, GD, et al, don't ask me for my IHSA number before I order a shirt.

You can take the test once, get a patch, and then never take a test / go to a meeting again. That's hardly legit.

I'm certain that someone could get a patch "from a friend" without ever taking a test / registering with the IHSA.

Schools and assigners know that only IHSA registered officials are to be used. Most (well, mnay) assigners check. That's the control -- not a stupid piece of stichery.

I agree, but when we work other levels that require us to have IHSA officials, they think we are not licensed to officiate. So you both are right, you can get those from other means that have nothing to do with following all the standards, but it does show a lack standards if you do not wear one. Not saying it is right or just, but that is what people often think.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I went to the Badgers game yesterday and I didn't see a patch. I'm certain those guys are legit.

When I work a HS varsity game or a junior college game, I don't think anyone has any problem whatsoever understanding that we're there to work a game and not sell shoes.

There is a big difference between a state patch and working a college game. For one if you do not wear the right uniforms you will stand out like a very sore thumb. And there are not as many officials either at that level working so what makes you legit is not a patch, it is how you are on the game in the first place (at least in my experience). Coaches know who assigns games at that level a lot more than they do at the HS level sometimes.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

How?

Honig's, GD, et al, don't ask me for my IHSA number before I order a shirt.

You can take the test once, get a patch, and then never take a test / go to a meeting again. That's hardly legit.

I'm certain that someone could get a patch "from a friend" without ever taking a test / registering with the IHSA.

Schools and assigners know that only IHSA registered officials are to be used. Most (well, mnay) assigners check. That's the control -- not a stupid piece of stichery.

JR beat me to the punch. Perception is reality, you're not wearing a patched shirt and first thought is your not licensed. I see at aau ball and kids games. Of course anyone can obtain a patch or patched shirt and not be licensed as you mentioned.

Just bar talk, I happen to like our logo and am proud to wear it. If we didn't have one not a big deal.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

JR beat me to the punch. Perception is reality, you're not wearing a patched shirt and first thought is your not licensed. I see at aau ball and kids games. Of course anyone can obtain a patch or patched shirt and not be licensed as you mentioned.

Just bar talk, I happen to like our logo and am proud to wear it. If we didn't have one not a big deal.

Depends on if you're used to the patch meaning something. Up here we've never worn one, so there's no expectation that an official would have one on.

To me, it's just *another* expense.