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[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by deecee

If I were in Rich's shoes I would love everytime this video pops up. It doesn't show how he messed up but instead shows how he handled a bad situation.

This video does nothing but shine Rich in a good light. yes, the situation sucks. But it does NOT reflect at all on Rich.

Absolutely!

Just for fun... what if "that guy" had done the same thing but been correct on the rule etc?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Absolutely!

Just for fun... what if "that guy" had done the same thing but been correct on the rule etc?

then what's wrong with having humility and saying yup, I screwed up.

[just another ref]

I can't see ever blowing five seconds from there. About fifteen seconds later you might want to call a timeout, because you would assume your partner was in a coma or something.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't see ever blowing five seconds from there. About fifteen seconds later you might want to call a timeout, because you would assume your partner was in a coma or something.

Agreed. In this game, shot made with 8 seconds left, I'm letting the horn wake him up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm letting the horn wake him up.

Either that, or an automated external defibrillator.

[deecee]

The only time i had a count out of my primary was in a summer girls tournament with backcourt 10 seconds count. My partner seemed to have a brain fart and by the time I came in and made the 10 second call it probably was about 13-14 seconds. My cue that he didnt have a count, was when i didnt see his visible count, so i picked it up. It was in a crucial part of the game as well.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DRJ1960

Just for fun... what if "that guy" had done the same thing but been correct on the rule etc?

This is not a rule issue, this at best would be a mechanics and judgment issue. The new lead should not be making judgments on when the ball is at the disposal of a player after a made basket. He better be looking at players coming up the court and paying more attention to that. Then he is totally wrong to even be counting during that situation mechanically. So he is wrong in both ways. I would not want to be "that guy" in the video at all.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not a rule issue, this at best would be a mechanics and judgment issue. The new lead should not be making judgments on when the ball is at the disposal of a player after a made basket. He better be looking at players coming up the court and paying more attention to that. Then he is totally wrong to even be counting during that situation mechanically. So he is wrong in both ways. I would not want to be "that guy" in the video at all.

Peace

Still, the question remains, what IF he was right? What if the clock was on 8 (or even 9 or 10 or even more) when the thrower clearly had the ball OOB and was attempting to make the throwin but it ran to 2, 1 or 0? At what point will you blow the whistle to get it right? Are you going to let the thrower have 8-10 seconds? Or will you, at some point, make a crew call?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still, the question remains, what IF he was right? What if the clock was on 8 (or even 9 or 10 or even more) when the thrower clearly had the ball OOB and was attempting to make the throwin but it ran to 2, 1 or 0? At what point will you blow the whistle to get it right? Are you going to let the thrower have 8-10 seconds? Or will you, at some point, make a crew call?

IF I make a "crew call", then I blow the whistle, get together and explain what I have and the crew makes the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still, the question remains, what IF he was right? What if the clock was on 8 (or even 9 or 10 or even more) when the thrower clearly had the ball OOB and was attempting to make the throwin but it ran to 2, 1 or 0? At what point will you blow the whistle to get it right? Are you going to let the thrower have 8-10 seconds? Or will you, at some point, make a crew call?

How can you be right by doing that? First of all the rules state that the official's signal is what is the judge. Granted our count should be close, but you have just undermined the entire crew by doing this. You cannot be right in a situation like this. This is not like calling in someone's primary, it is literally taking their call from them in every way. It would be like the lead calling a violation on the FT shooter. Or the Lead calling a backcourt violation on a player touching the division line. At best he was guessing as he has no idea when the official judged the ball being at disposal.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What if the clock was on 8 (or even 9 or 10 or even more) when the thrower clearly had the ball OOB and was attempting to make the throwin but it ran to 2, 1 or 0? At what point will you blow the whistle to get it right?

You just don't.

You can stand, look puzzled, and wonder to yourself, isn't that five? You can even question him after the game about it. However, you trust your partner to make that call. It's his end line, his call.

It's nearly impossible to get straightlined on a five-second throw-in violation, so you're not helping anyone by looking past the end line.

[just another ref]

I understand Camron's question. A scores with 15 seconds left. As new lead, you see B1 immediately take the ball out of the net and step out. You start a count in your head, as one should at this point, for the sake of backing up the game clock. Your count reaches 11, and you look to see B1 still standing out of bounds with the ball, flanked by the new trail, standing passively with hands at his side. Do you blow the whistle at all, or do you let the clock expire, thinking "Boy, die he screw up!"

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I understand Camron's question. A scores with 15 seconds left. As new trail, you see B1 immediately take the ball out of the net and step out. You start a count in your head, as one should at this point, for the sake of backing up the game clock. Your count reaches 11, and you look to see B1 still standing out of bounds with the ball, flanked by the new trail, standing passively with hands at his side. Do you blow the whistle at all, or do you let the clock expire, thinking "Boy, die he screw up!"

Do you call travels all over the court when you do not have ball coverage responsibility at all too? What about ruling a player left their designated spot your partner has too? There are a lot of situations we could "think" our partner did not get it right. If one person can do that job, then we do not need 2 or 3 official on the game, just one would be sufficient.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do you call travels all over the court when you do not have ball coverage responsibility at all too? What about ruling a player left their designated spot your partner has too? There are a lot of situations we could "think" our partner did not get it right. If one person can do that job, then we do not need 2 or 3 official on the game, just one would be sufficient.

Peace

No, but I would not be surprised to learn that the guy in the video does. The question at hand is what to do if you find yourself in a game deciding situation with the polar opposite of this guy. How much, if any, does one expand one's normal responsibilities?

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still, the question remains, what IF he was right? What if the clock was on 8 (or even 9 or 10 or even more) when the thrower clearly had the ball OOB and was attempting to make the throwin but it ran to 2, 1 or 0? At what point will you blow the whistle to get it right? Are you going to let the thrower have 8-10 seconds? Or will you, at some point, make a crew call?

Nobody here will like this, but the bottom line is, if you are right, you can do anything you want. If you are right, even if you run your partner over, you are still right. Top officials never want to be in those situations, and they are exceptionally rare, but if they have the ability and constitution to make those calls and be 100% correct, that makes them great. Perhaps unpopular for a period of time, but great. The flip side is, the risks in doing so are enormous, and we all beileve in virtually every call we make--until we see the film.