Have any of you ever called...

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Note to all single officials: Good rule of thumb in a case like this is to settle for a blarge, and keep the girl.

Funny! Trust me, I'm living happily ever after.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rule11

If any of you are ever working down in my little corner of CT, I think it is a different corner than Billy Mac, feel free to let me know.

Now we have at least two officials on the Forum tied at the very top of the high school varsity pay scale. Rule11, and I, are part of the 1%. All the rest of the unwashed officials on the Forum are part of the 99%.

Man. I hope that Mark Padgett doesn't offer his opinion of what Rule 11 is. We probably don't want to know.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I have no problem calling a foul or violation outside my PCA, if I pause for a second and believe my partner must have been straightlined to miss it. I also have no problem with my partner doing the same, and I make that clear during pre-game.

However, when it comes to throw-ins, if I'm not administering, I'm disengaging from that endline/sideline, and focusing in-bounds. Some things are best to be trusted to your partner.

If I call a violation outside of my primary, I made a mistake.

If I'm calling a foul outside of my primary, I'm going to try to be late and needed. By needed, I mean the game could degenerate quickly if it goes uncalled.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I call a violation outside of my primary, I made a mistake.

If I'm calling a foul outside of my primary, I'm going to try to be late and needed. By needed, I mean the game could degenerate quickly if it goes uncalled.

Agreed...if it is an "OH MY GOD!!" call, then go in there and make the call.

5 second throw-in violation does not fit that criteria.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The crew as a whole is charged with administering the game. Mechanics are a simply a guideline to getting it done....they are not the rules. They are guidelines that should generally, almost exclusively, be followed....but don't let the guidelines rope you in to doing the wrong thing because its not your call. Our first priority is the game. Yes, one official has the responsibility to call it but the entire crew has the responsibility to address an obvious infraction of the rules.

This is not unlike that Rutgers/St. Johns game last year where all three officials got suspended for screwing up the end of the game. Only one of them had responsibility according to the mechanics but they all paid for it. All were expected to step up and do the right thing for the game. If any one of them had stepped up and dealt with it, there would have never been an issue. Sure, one of them might have been irritated, but it would have been over and forgotten about.

At the very least, the new lead, after some time, should either be calling the violation or stopping the clock to deal with the unusual delay in the team being able to take the ball OOB for a throwin...and I'm not saying it was enough in the above situation, 8 seconds is not enough to jump in....there was no unusual delay in the ball being available.

I will put it this way. I am a Back Judge in football. If I call a Roughing the Passer penalty I really need to hang up my whistle and stripped shirt. The other situation you are talking about as far as I remember was not the same as this situation.

And like I used to hear this as a kid, "You can be right and dead at the same time." I think I would have to eat that mistake and let my partner do his job.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Nobody here will like this, but the bottom line is, if you are right, you can do anything you want. If you are right, even if you run your partner over, you are still right. Top officials never want to be in those situations, and they are exceptionally rare, but if they have the ability and constitution to make those calls and be 100% correct, that makes them great. Perhaps unpopular for a period of time, but great. The flip side is, the risks in doing so are enormous, and we all beileve in virtually every call we make--until we see the film.

The risks are too great. No way I'm even going to have a count. Anyone who makes this call, even if it was right, is driving a bus. You've told everyone who knows anything at all about basketball that you think your partner isn't ready for this game. You've also told them that you, in fact, are the one over his head.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I call a violation outside of my primary, I made a mistake.

If I'm calling a foul outside of my primary, I'm going to try to be late and needed. By needed, I mean the game could degenerate quickly if it goes uncalled.

So lets say you are NOT the trail here and see this

Duke travel. How many steps? I count 12! - YouTube

You would just say oh well, I'll let it go? I know I would not. I would call it and if my partner tries to say a peep that I shouldn't have I would tell him to tighten up and do his f'ing job. Because this is pretty obvious.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

So lets say you are NOT the trail here and see this

Duke travel. How many steps? I count 12! - YouTube

You would just say oh well, I'll let it go? I know I would not. I would call it and if my partner tries to say a peep that I shouldn't have I would tell him to tighten up and do his f'ing job. Because this is pretty obvious.

Why are you looking at the ball? In 3-person, in a closely guarded situation like this, the C is looking at competitive matchups on his side of the floor and the L is looking in the paint. The *only* official that should see this is the T.

Any "get" of this by either of the other two officials, here, is ball watching.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Why are you looking at the ball? In 3-person, in a closely guarded situation like this, the C is looking at competitive matchups on his side of the floor and the L is looking in the paint. The *only* official that should see this is the T.

Any "get" of this by either of the other two officials, here, is ball watching.

Right, we NEVER see out of our primary. Ever! I forgot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

Right, we NEVER see out of our primary. Ever! I forgot.

OK, do me a favor. Watch the video again. Tell me who's going to see this travel on the court and THEN call it in front of the trail who's standing right there.

I'm the L, I'm looking in the paint. I'm the T, that's WAY over on the other side of the court and I'm not looking there.

I'm not saying that there aren't places where an official that's further away isn't going to get a travel (in the post is a great example), but this isn't it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

OK, do me a favor. Watch the video again. Tell me who's going to see this travel on the court and THEN call it in front of the trail who's standing right there.

I'm the L, I'm looking in the paint. I'm the T, that's WAY over on the other side of the court and I'm not looking there.

I'm not saying that there aren't places where an official that's further away isn't going to get a travel (in the post is a great example), but this isn't it.

Lets say position isnt an issue, you see this and you pass?

[Adam]

There are some travels you get in your secondary, so I'll make that correction. There's still no way in hell I'm having a whistle on a five second violation outside of my primary.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

Lets say position isnt an issue, you see this and you pass?

If it's in a secondary area, sure, I'll get it. For example, if I'm the T and this is in the L's primary, I'll assume he's blocked from seeing the feet or concentrating on contact up high.

But if I'm 50 feet away and my partner is about 8, I'm going to let him call it or not call it (unless there's a good reason he'd miss it). It's bad for the crew to miss calls, but it can be just as bad (if not worse) to get one that throws a partner under the bus.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

but it can be just as bad (if not worse) to get one that throws a partner under the bus.

This is the part that some seem unable to grasp.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is the part that some seem unable to grasp.

Most calls where a partner helps, I'm going to say "thank you." But there are some that do nothing but throw me under the bus and the person jumping in should know better. Exhibit 1 - the video in the OP.