Table Authority and 5th Foul

[Toren]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The ball went through the basket so POI for this sitch is a endline throw-in for Team B.

Correct but from the OP it reads like the officials stopped play while ball was in flight before the ball went through the basket.

Then they decided to ignore the POI and just give the ball to Team A on a throw in, no points awarded.

So they should have either gone POI, AP throw in, before the ball went through the basket OR

As you suggest, after the ball went through the basket so endline throw-in for Team B.

They didn't do either.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Toren

Correct but from the OP it reads like the officials stopped play while ball was in flight before the ball went through the basket.

Then they decided to ignore the POI and just give the ball to Team A on a throw in, no points awarded.

So they should have either gone POI, AP throw in, before the ball went through the basket OR

As you suggest, after the ball went through the basket so endline throw-in for Team B.

They didn't do either.

What?

They should have:

Counted the basket, DQ'd B1, and resumed play at the POI (throw-in for Team B).

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tjones1

What?

They should have:

Counted the basket, DQ'd B1, and resumed play at the POI (throw-in for Team B).

I agree. They should have.

But if the ball is dead by rule when the whistle blows and the whistle blew during the flight of the ball. You can't just ignore that fact.

So if I'm interpreting the OP correctly, we don't have a made basket, we have an AP throw in. The whistle sounded before the ball went through the goal.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree. They should have.

But if the ball is dead by rule when the whistle blows and the whistle blew during the flight of the ball. You can't just ignore that fact.

So if I'm interpreting the OP correctly, we don't have a made basket, we have an AP throw in. The whistle sounded before the ball went through the goal.

So when the whistle sounds for a foul while a shot is in flight you always wave off the made basket?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah no, it doesn't.

The only time a whistle by an official causes the ball to be dead when a shot is in flight is when a PC foul occurs.

Even if the officials had blown the whistle instead of the horn sounding, the ball would still not have become dead.




You're not. Count the basket, give the ball to the opponent for a endline throw-in.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So when the whistle sounds for a foul while a shot is in flight you always wave off the made basket?

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree. They should have.

But if the ball is dead by rule when the whistle blows and the whistle blew during the flight of the ball. You can't just ignore that fact.

So if I'm interpreting the OP correctly, we don't have a made basket, we have an AP throw in. The whistle sounded before the ball went through the goal.

As Tony and BNR are saying...

Check out 6-7.

[packersowner]

Agree with the correctable error part, I guess I should have stated that I didn't believe this was a correctable error so therefore anything that occurred should be counted.

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

I never have, it's so infrequent, I would think it would cause more problems than solve.

I've seen plenty of horns go off for substitutes when the ball is in play already and we just continue playing. I've also seen officials stop play and inbound the ball again and tell the substitute and the table they cannot sub right now.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Agree with the correctable error part, I guess I should have stated that I didn't believe this was a correctable error so therefore anything that occurred should be counted.

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

I do sometimes tell table people to not use that horn for all kinds of things like substitutions or unless nothing is going on. And sometimes players stop and sometimes they don't. It really depends on what is going on and what action is taking place.

Peace