Table Authority and 5th Foul

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree. They should have.

But if the ball is dead by rule when the whistle blows and the whistle blew during the flight of the ball. You can't just ignore that fact.

So if I'm interpreting the OP correctly, we don't have a made basket, we have an AP throw in. The whistle sounded before the ball went through the goal.

So when the whistle sounds for a foul while a shot is in flight you always wave off the made basket?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah no, it doesn't.

The only time a whistle by an official causes the ball to be dead when a shot is in flight is when a PC foul occurs.

Even if the officials had blown the whistle instead of the horn sounding, the ball would still not have become dead.




You're not. Count the basket, give the ball to the opponent for a endline throw-in.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So when the whistle sounds for a foul while a shot is in flight you always wave off the made basket?

Originally Posted by Toren

I agree. They should have.

But if the ball is dead by rule when the whistle blows and the whistle blew during the flight of the ball. You can't just ignore that fact.

So if I'm interpreting the OP correctly, we don't have a made basket, we have an AP throw in. The whistle sounded before the ball went through the goal.

As Tony and BNR are saying...

Check out 6-7.

[packersowner]

Agree with the correctable error part, I guess I should have stated that I didn't believe this was a correctable error so therefore anything that occurred should be counted.

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

I never have, it's so infrequent, I would think it would cause more problems than solve.

I've seen plenty of horns go off for substitutes when the ball is in play already and we just continue playing. I've also seen officials stop play and inbound the ball again and tell the substitute and the table they cannot sub right now.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Toren

So everyone agrees the officials stopped the game during the flight of the ball?

And, everyone is saying, count the basket and POI is endline throw in? Am I reading everyone correctly?

If you have an inadvertent whistle during a shot by A (ball in flight), your POI will depend upon whether the shot goes in.

If it goes in, B gets the ball for an end line throw-in. If it does not, you go with the arrow.

Same with double fouls that occur while a ball is in flight.

Originally Posted by Toren

I never have, it's so infrequent, I would think it would cause more problems than solve.

I've seen plenty of horns go off for substitutes when the ball is in play already and we just continue playing. I've also seen officials stop play and inbound the ball again and tell the substitute and the table they cannot sub right now.

Normally, with a sub situation and the horn goes off, I verbally tell the players to play on. If I have to blow my whistle (because players have stopped playing), I will allow the subs. There's no basis for not allowing the subs once you blow your whistle.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

*Shame on that table crew for not informing their officials on the floor that a kid has thier 5'th foul.

*Secondly-around here officials will tell us their preferences on horn use with subs.Some like it and others don't.A vast majority do like it.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

*Shame on that table crew for not informing their officials on the floor that a kid has thier 5'th foul.

*Secondly-around here officials will tell us their preferences on horn use with subs.Some like it and others don't.A vast majority do like it.

I once had a game where I both announced the 5th foul overhead and showed five fingers to the calling official, and he still didn't disqualify the player. When there was finally a point for me to tell the crew again about the 5th foul, the official told me I needed to tell them sooner.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you have an inadvertent whistle during a shot by A (ball in flight), your POI will depend upon whether the shot goes in.

If it goes in, B gets the ball for an end line throw-in. If it does not, you go with the arrow.

Same with double fouls that occur while a ball is in flight.

That's the part I was missing, Thanks.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Agree with the correctable error part, I guess I should have stated that I didn't believe this was a correctable error so therefore anything that occurred should be counted.

Does anyone address with the table crew before game when they should use the horn to alert you? I would guess most players would stop playing when they heard the horn.

I do sometimes tell table people to not use that horn for all kinds of things like substitutions or unless nothing is going on. And sometimes players stop and sometimes they don't. It really depends on what is going on and what action is taking place.

Peace