How much do you talk to coaches?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And even when you know the rule and explain the rule in detail, they will still argue with you. I have explained verticality only to have coaches tell me there is such thing as "over the back." I had a coach try to tell me the other day that I should call a "moving screen" when his player literally ran around the guy. It never ceases to amaze me how dumb and stupid coaches can be when you try to talk to them even in the most calm and logic voice.

Peace

Because for every Official there is on this forum that knows better, there is another Official out there running to the table saying "foul's on #23 over the back".

And maybe an announcer or 2 on TV....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Because for every Official there is on this forum that knows better, there is another Official out there running to the table saying "foul's on #23 over the back".

And maybe an announcer or 2 on TV....

There might be, but that is so rare that is not where the coaches get that from the majority of the time. I run a class of newer officials and it is the former players and coaches I have to get out of that habit language. And announcers do not help as they constantly repeat this fraud.

Peace

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There might be, but that is so rare that is not where the coaches get that from the majority of the time. I run a class of newer officials and it is the former players and coaches I have to get out of that habit language. And announcers do not help as they constantly repeat this fraud.

Peace

Who are 90% of the announcers? Former coaches and players....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There might be, but that is so rare that is not where the coaches get that from the majority of the time. I run a class of newer officials and it is the former players and coaches I have to get out of that habit language. And announcers do not help as they constantly repeat this fraud.

Peace

It's not a majority, but it isn't rare either; not in my experience anyway.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not a majority, but it isn't rare either; not in my experience anyway.

I cannot think of a single official in years that has used that term that I have worked with.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot think of a single official in years that has used that term that I have worked with.

Peace

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

I did work with a guy that said "reach" a while ago, but then again he never got to the point in his career as others. Of course it was not because of this, but if you do this what other things are you not paying attention to.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

+1

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did work with a guy that said "reach" a while ago, but then again he never got to the point in his career as others. Of course it was not because of this, but if you do this what other things are you not paying attention to.

Peace

Agreed

[tref]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I have heard a few of them. "White 24 with a reach" is also used by said officials. I try to not let my winces become visible in those situations.

I heard "24 white, contact" the other day.

I thought involved parties might be led to think that all contact is a foul

[Toren]

I did the IAABO camp this summer and learned that apparently on the East Coast it's predominantly the case to say "Illegal Use" and in Colorado it's common to say "Hit". I found that kind of interesting. I have tried both and "Illegal Use" never rolls off my tongue.

Back on the subject, I heard a 4th year varsity official the other night say "over the back" and he actually did a made up mechanic to demonstrate this to the coach. It was two man and I don't think I kept my poker face at all.

[WVJD]

I believe that we sometimes feel too obligated to respond to the coaches everytime, we all have a responsibility to the players on the floor and our area when the ball is live including free throws, throw ins etc. Although we pause they should know the ball is still inplay

One of the coaches in our area feels that every time a shooting foul is called that is his opportunity to talk to the officials; as an official we all have a responsibilty on players and areas not to talk with the coach. He was shocked that I didn't come from the far free throw line to talk to him during the free throws.

I want to be approachable and considerate to their needs; I'm just not sure who will do my job while I talk to the coach...and then what about the coach for the other team. Shouldn't we explain to him what we said to caoch A?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Toren

I did the IAABO camp this summer and learned that apparently on the East Coast it's predominantly the case to say "Illegal Use" and in Colorado it's common to say "Hit". I found that kind of interesting. I have tried both and "Illegal Use" never rolls off my tongue.

I assume you mean when reporting a foul to the table. Why do you feel the need to embellish the hand signal with anything verbal?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Silence can't be misquoted. If you can't think of an appropriate response, don't say anything.

Answer questions only.

Ignore comments (unless they rise to the level of a Technical Foul, then take care of business).

Only talk to the coach during a dead ball.

Keep your voice calm. Use a normal conversational tone.

Body language is important. When taking to the coach, have your arms at your sides or behind your back. Never fold your arms in front of you, this makes you look unapproachable.

You get a maximum of one "you're right coach, I kicked that call" per game. Use it wisely.

If they're questioning a charge/block call/no-call, I've found that it can help to include the phrase "legal guarding position" into your response. "Coach, the defender established legal guarding position and your player initiated the contact"

You can initiate conversation, but only to give factual information (Coach, you have 3 timeouts remaining), or to request their help with a situation (Coach, please stay in your coaching box).

Yikes!!!!! Why would you do that? Unsolicited to boot. That's what ACs are for. It can only hurt you, should your info be wrong. When he's out,yes, as preventative medicine, I'll tell AC.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Yikes!!!!! Why would you do that? Unsolicited to boot. That's what ACs are for. It can only hurt you, should your info be wrong. When he's out,yes, as preventative medicine, I'll tell AC.

I check with the official scorebook during the timeout, and tell the HC after the timeout has ended. That way I know I'm not wrong. If the coach asks me when at some other point (during a FT, for example), I'll say "Coach, you need to ask the scorekeeper".

I also will let my partner know how many TOs each team has as the game's winding down.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I assume you mean when reporting a foul to the table. Why do you feel the need to embellish the hand signal with anything verbal?

That's correct, when reporting to the table "Blue 24, Hit" with the signal. On the East Coast, "Blue 24, Illegal Use" with the proper signal.

According to the IAABO mechanics book it is an Illegal use of hands mechanic, so it makes sense the way they do it there.