Everyone's wish has been granted

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have to ask. Who, other than you, has noticed/pointed out/complained about the deficiencies of this/these other table person(s)?

That I can be unsure about as it seems the AD is not being very forthcoming when it comes to giving out information as of late.

I do know however that we have a better rapport with the floor officials than the other table personnel, due to in part of attending the local association meetings & our knowledge of the current rules/regulations.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I think your AD's choice to put a recently graduated alum who can't maintain objectivity as varsity timer over someone who has demonstrated ability and objectivity is an disgrace to the game-Especially for someone like me who worked his way through the ranks to earn the varsity official scorekeeper's position.How was the lunch lady she was filling in for in ability and objectivity?

I started in the summer of 2004 (between Soph and Jr years of HS) as a JV and Varsity boys summer league scorekeeper.Then with both varsity scorekeeper positions taken for the '04-'05 season I served as a ticket-taker and continued to work summer league to gain seat time.I shared varsity boys scorekeeper duties for the 2005-2006 season (even getting a chance to fill in for the first day of our annual boys tournament) and earned the right to work my first playoff home games as an official scorekeeper 9 days after my 18'th birthday.I have been a full time varsity scorekeeper since the 2006-2007 season working both regular season (home and away) and summer league games.

I too echo Welpe's sentiments and hope this hiatus is temporary for you all and you are back courtside working somewhere soon!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Yep. Sounds like there's some school politics going on...

Ironically it is school politics as the one gal is from a prominent family in the area that gives contributions to the school (the alum). The lunch lady has just been there since before I was in high school & it's as if she has nothing better to do in the evening.

The lunch lady is doing slightly better as I've been coaching her on the new rules/regulations, just unsure how well she can run the new scoreboard. (If it's true that she's back)

[SCalScoreKeeper]

School politics never cease to amaze me-read this story out of Florida.

Estero High parent berated former cheerleading coach in emails prior to firing Naples Daily News

Estero HS censoring cheerleader coach coverage - WFTX-TV Fort Myers/Naples, FL

Basically a coach was fired after a parent lobbied a school board member who improperly used her position on the board to convince the superintendent that this coach needs to go.The Fox 4 series of reports also shows the AD attempting to tell a reporter that he can't interview the cheerleaders regarding the termination of their coach.

If anyone would like to show their support for this young coach sign here is the link to a petition you can sign asking for her reinstatement:
http://www.change.org/petitions/lee-...ro-high-school

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

I think your AD's choice to put a recently graduated alum who can't maintain objectivity as varsity timer over someone who has demonstrated ability and objectivity is an disgrace to the game-Especially for someone like me who worked his way through the ranks to earn the varsity official scorekeeper's position.How was the lunch lady she was filling in for in ability and objectivity?

I started in the summer of 2004 (between Soph and Jr years of HS) as a JV and Varsity boys summer league scorekeeper.Then with both varsity scorekeeper positions taken for the '04-'05 season I served as a ticket-taker and continued to work summer league to gain seat time.I shared varsity boys scorekeeper duties for the 2005-2006 season (even getting a chance to fill in for the first day of our annual boys tournament) and earned the right to work my first playoff home games as an official scorekeeper 9 days after my 18'th birthday.I have been a full time varsity scorekeeper since the 2006-2007 season working both regular season (home and away) and summer league games.

I too echo Welpe's sentiments and hope this hiatus is temporary for you all and you are back courtside working somewhere soon!

Concerning the lunch lady's work ethic, she is not quite to the point of being completely impartial as there are times she does cheer but she does not become overly exuberant like the recently graduated alum.

The lunch lady, at halftime, starts the clock & leaves the table for 9 minutes & 30 seconds most of the time I've noticed so when I was shot clock I had to sound the 1 minute warning. Same thing can be said for pre-games, she'd set the clock, start it and wouldn't return to the table until right before the minute warning or about 15-30 seconds after. The other thing that neither has done is to double check the books at halftime for discrepancies.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

I think your AD's choice to put a recently graduated alum who can't maintain objectivity as varsity timer over someone who has demonstrated ability and objectivity is an disgrace to the game-Especially for someone like me who worked his way through the ranks to earn the varsity official scorekeeper's position.

I too echo Welpe's sentiments and hope this hiatus is temporary for you all and you are back courtside working somewhere soon!

My story is kinda like yours is.

I started out as a frosh in HS doing floor sweeps between games & at halftime. From my sophmore year on, I was the Boys' Basketball manager (did JV & C-Squad scorebooks), so I learned early on about the table having to remain neutral. The only difference is that I took time off from basketball after HS to do some other career opportunities. I've been back doing table operations for the past 4-5 years until tonight.

On a regular basis, I'm having to coach/train the personnel doing the scorebook or coaches on how the table should be setup best to limit CEs.

I've even trained the gentleman that does the JV timer in Gym 1 on how to work the new scoreboard. I can reprogram the new scoreboard as I am very familiar with it, the AD's knowledge of the board barely scratches the surface. The lunch lady/Varsity timer (as far as I know) has not had any time on the new scoreboard so she'd likely have to be trained as well. The alum had a fly-by-night training immediately (by me) before the Girls' Varsity Contest & is prone to making errors.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

What did you think about the Florida article I posted Eagle?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

What did you think about the Florida article I posted Eagle?

Right now, my thoughts on that situation in Florida is like "Wow, really?" So she also works at Hooters, she's keeping that work separate from her work as the cheerleading coach.

It almost sounds as if the one school board member & the one parent don't like her coaching techniques, so they're using her working at Hooters as an excuse.

[just another ref]

Maybe you could get a job at Hooters.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by chseagle

It almost sounds as if the one school board member & the one parent don't like her coaching techniques, so they're using her working at Hooters as an excuse.

After reading the article, my guess is that it's more of a morality issue...uptight parent approaches a school board member (in an election year) and convinces him/her that a "group" of us parents (read: voters) are "concerned" that a Hooters girl is coaching our impressionable youth. School boards are elected on a county wide basis in this state so I'm never surprised at the lengths they go to maintain office. That's what it sounds like here. As usual...Florida attracts ALL the nutjobs.

Your situation reeks of school politics as well...no elected officials involved, but slimy just the same. Good luck with it. Take heart in knowing that ADs and Coaches tend to have a shelf life. Hopefully their's is short.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Eagle though I personally give you a hard time here, I admire how seriously you take your responsibilities. As Juggles put it, I wish I had a professional table crew at all of my games.

+1

I did the clock for my son's rec game this past weekend. Thankfully, I didn't have to keep up with ALL the duties. I'd give myself a B-. Tough stuff to get it right if you don't have the proper training and experience.....(and this wasn't in a big gym with everyone looking at the scoreboard hanging on the wall. It was just a portable scoreboard at the table).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the lunch lady's work ethic, she is not quite to the point of being completely impartial as there are times she does cheer but she does not become overly exuberant like the recently graduated alum.

The lunch lady, at halftime, starts the clock & leaves the table for 9 minutes & 30 seconds most of the time I've noticed so when I was shot clock I had to sound the 1 minute warning. Same thing can be said for pre-games, she'd set the clock, start it and wouldn't return to the table until right before the minute warning or about 15-30 seconds after. The other thing that neither has done is to double check the books at halftime for discrepancies.

This crap drives me nuts. I meet with the captains at 12:00 and go right to the table after the captain's meeting (about 11:30, if I can help it). How hard is it for the scorer and timer to actually be there then?

How am I supposed to have my meeting with the timer if she's gone from 20 minutes until there's less than a minute left? Then, after no meeting, I don't get the proper horns (including the second horn I always ask for on timeouts and the 5 second horn on injuries/DQs) and I feel like we're not on the same page the entire game.

And around here the timer gets paid, so part of getting paid, IMO, is being there when I want to have my meeting.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

You're totally right about showing up on time for the pre-game being part of the job Rich.I'm always there for my pre-game meetings whether it be in basketball or volleyball.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

You're totally right about showing up on time for the pre-game being part of the job Rich.I'm always there for my pre-game meetings whether it be in basketball or volleyball.

I am always present at the table at all times, except for restroom breaks. When I do leave the table I look at the clock as well as my own watch to figure out exactly what time I need to be back for pre-game meeting(s) or end of halftime.

Everyone else there seems to get setup then leaves right after the pre-game or as soon as halftime starts.

[Overnbach]

I'm curious, Eagle. Why do you think "Everyone's wish has been granted?" What issue does everyone have with you?