Stomach to Knees Traveling?

[Mechanicsman]

A1 is laying on his stomach, and he pushes himself to his knees. His knees were in contact with the floor the whole time.
Traveling? Where did you find it?

If the answer is yes, then it raises another question: why would a player be allowed to go from his back to his rear end and not be allowed to go from his front to his knees?

Thanks

[just another ref]

Going from flat on the stomach to the knees sounds like part of an attempt to stand up.

traveling

[Mechanicsman]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Going from flat on the stomach to the knees sounds like part of an attempt to stand up.

traveling

That's what I was told, but in the situation I'm thinking of the player just gets to his knees and stays there, perhaps looking to pass...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Mechanicsman

That's what I was told, but in the situation I'm thinking of the player just gets to his knees and stays there, perhaps looking to pass...

4-44-5
A player holding the ball:
After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand
or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

When he goes from his belly to his knees, he has gotten up and he's traveled.

[AKOFL]

Getting up to your knees is not mentioned in the list of things you can do once you stop sliding. Pass,shoot,start a dribble or calla timeout. you may not roll over, if flat onl your back you may sit up. So I would say once you are on your stomach starting a dribble is the only way you can get off you belly with the ball in your control.

[Mechanicsman]

Hmmm. Thanks for the ruling, but I still don't understand how it could be legal to sit-up but illegal to get to your knees. Does anyone see the logic behind this?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Mechanicsman

Hmmm. Thanks for the ruling, but I still don't understand how it could be legal to sit-up but illegal to get to your knees. Does anyone see the logic behind this?

Yes. It's easier to pass when sitting as opposed to lying down, so the rules create an exception for sitting up, which can also be part of "getting up."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Yes. It's easier to pass when sitting as opposed to lying down, so the rules create an exception for sitting up, which can also be part of "getting up."

It's even harder to pass lying on your stomach. Why didn't they create the exception for that?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's even harder to pass lying on your stomach. Why didn't they create the exception for that?

The didn't need to. You can roll to your side and pass, as long as you don't roll over.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The didn't need to. You can roll to your side and pass, as long as you don't roll over.

As long as the actions are part of an attempt to pass the ball, I'm inclined to give the player the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't rolled "over."

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's even harder to pass lying on your stomach. Why didn't they create the exception for that?

Because the body naturally bends forward, not backwards, at the waist. Didn't you study anatomy in 9th grade PE/Health?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As long as the actions are part of an attempt to pass the ball, I'm inclined to give the player the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't rolled "over."

That's probably the best item everyone here should take from this thread.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's probably the best item everyone here should take from this thread.

That and your tagline.

[Mechanicsman]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Because the body naturally bends forward, not backwards, at the waist. Didn't you study anatomy in 9th grade PE/Health?

This is my best answer. I still don't like the rule, but it's a rule.
Thanks to all who replied.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As long as the actions are part of an attempt to pass the ball, I'm inclined to give the player the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't rolled "over."

This actually sounds good to me.