Slide = Not travelling

[Johnny Ringo]

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

I quoted directly from the case book. It says once you stop sliding, you cannot roll. Momentum is not mentioned. Therefore, the play you describe is traveling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Could a slide and a roll both be part of momentum? I would say yes. And no violation. Am I wrong? I know its a tough call, but believe I have seen it before.

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

Slide/Roll as part of momentum of the dive for a loose ball is legal. There is nothing in the rule or case that says it is illegal so it must be legal. Once at a stop, a roll/slide is illegal.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Slide/Roll as part of momentum of the dive for a loose ball is legal. There is nothing in the rule or case that says it is illegal so it must be legal. Once at a stop, a roll/slide is illegal.

Can't find anything in NFHS regarding roll being part of the momentum following a dive with control during the dive.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Can't find anything in NFHS regarding roll being part of the momentum following a dive with control during the dive.

Any movement by the player's body that occurs due to his momentum is legal. Movement due to momentum ends when all movement stops. Therefore, a player can dive for a ball and his momentum, after gaining control of the ball, can cause his body to slide and/or roll before he comes to a complete and discernible stop (Oops! The weather has been so nice that Junior and I were starting to get in to baseball umpiring mode today, LOL!).

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Can't find anything in NFHS regarding roll being part of the momentum following a dive with control during the dive.

See this case (from an older book so the number may have shifted a bit):

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

The part I've highlighted in red tells me that rolling over is OK before A1 stops sliding.

The part I have highlighed in green also suggest that since I've never seen a player dive on their back....only dive on their stomach and roll over.