Slide = Not travelling

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

During the game would have probably been the wrong time to debate it as you never know what his exact reasoning might have been to make that call.

While this may be true 95% of the time, it really depends on the level of the game, and the degree of rapport between partners.

Yesterday. Catholic middle school junior varsity game. From the lead position, I see, what I believe, is a player attempting a shot from the opposite block, having the ball blocked before the ball leaving his hand, with me calling a held ball. I'm the closer official, but my partner, from the trail position, takes a couple of steps toward me and says quietly, "Did you get a good look at that?". I reply that I did, and we play on.

Next timeout, he comes over to me and we discuss the play. Although I was the closer official, I had the shooter, and his defender, between me and the ball. My partner was farther away, but he got a great look at the ball, and he saw it barely leave the shooter's hand, thus, just a blocked ball, not a held ball. We talked about how we could have fixed it, if we wanted to, and moved on.

I've worked dozens of games, both high school, and Catholic middle school, with this partner. He's a state high school tournament official. I value his opinion, and I know that he wasn't trying to show me up, or take over the game, he just wanted to make this a learning experience for both of us. I've got no problem with what he did.

[Johnny Ringo]

Player dives for loose ball, gathers loose ball and momentum allos him to slide a few feet and then into a complete roll ... all in one motion. He comes to rest on his back with the ball secured.

You have anything?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Player dives for loose ball, gathers loose ball and momentum allows him to slide a few feet and then into a complete roll ... all in one motion. He comes to rest on his back with the ball secured.

You have anything?

Just a thought. Momentum does not allow one to do anything. Momentum takes you there whether you like it or not.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Just a thought. Momentum does not allow one to do anything. Momentum takes you there whether you like it or not.

Could a slide and a roll both be part of momentum? I would say yes. And no violation. Am I wrong? I know its a tough call, but believe I have seen it before.

[AKOFL]

It says once you stop sliding you may not roll. It didn't say anything about rolling while youslide. 4.44.5 sit B

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Could a slide and a roll both be part of momentum? I would say yes. And no violation. Am I wrong? I know its a tough call, but believe I have seen it before.

4.44.5B

Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over.

[Johnny Ringo]

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

I quoted directly from the case book. It says once you stop sliding, you cannot roll. Momentum is not mentioned. Therefore, the play you describe is traveling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Could a slide and a roll both be part of momentum? I would say yes. And no violation. Am I wrong? I know its a tough call, but believe I have seen it before.

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

I have seen a player go into a dive for a ball and resulted in a roll, which was caused by the dive ... the momentum saw the player roll once and stop.

Slide/Roll as part of momentum of the dive for a loose ball is legal. There is nothing in the rule or case that says it is illegal so it must be legal. Once at a stop, a roll/slide is illegal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While this may be true 95% of the time, it really depends on the level of the game, and the degree of rapport between partners.

The reason I would not do this, is I do not want to get into a big debate and cause a problem between me and my partner(s) over one judgment call. Now discussing this after the game or even halftime under the right circumstances I would have no problem doing. But I would not want to debate this and look like I am trying to influence his call. Coaches will take any little body language or conversation the wrong way. I have had coaches that even saw both officials signal a foul (not like a blarge) and assume that the other partner had something different. It is not all about the rapport you have or do not have, it is just do you want every call to be up for debate and a coach wanting you to change or give information. At least it is more acceptable on an out of bounds play, but we cannot have every travel or double dribble up for debate or we would never get through a game. Even guys I know very well can get upset when you question their judgment on simple traveling plays.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While this may be true 95% of the time, it really depends on the level of the game, and the degree of rapport between partners.

Yesterday. Catholic middle school junior varsity game. From the lead position, I see, what I believe, is a player attempting a shot from the opposite block, having the ball blocked before the ball leaving his hand, with me calling a held ball. I'm the closer official, but my partner, from the trail position, takes a couple of steps toward me and says quietly, "Did you get a good look at that?". I reply that I did, and we play on.

Next timeout, he comes over to me and we discuss the play. Although I was the closer official, I had the shooter, and his defender, between me and the ball. My partner was farther away, but he got a great look at the ball, and he saw it barely leave the shooter's hand, thus, just a blocked ball, not a held ball. We talked about how we could have fixed it, if we wanted to, and moved on.

I've worked dozens of games, both high school, and Catholic middle school, with this partner. He's a state high school tournament official. I value his opinion, and I know that he wasn't trying to show me up, or take over the game, he just wanted to make this a learning experience for both of us. I've got no problem with what he did.

So you had an inadvertent whistle after a try was released and there was no team control. Now let's see...what is the proper way to resume the game? POI part 3--> AP arrow. Or you could stick with your erroneous held ball call, which would result in using the AP arrow as well.
So it seems that once you incorrectly blew the whistle in this situation, you were stuck with the AP arrow.