Did I drop kick one?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And I've got a travel.

(Man. I hate it when I agree with Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. It never turns out well.)

Billy,

Give me your reasoning, I see both sides and hopefully you can sway me to travelling

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Give me your reasoning, I see both sides and hopefully you can sway me to traveling

As Nevadaref stated many posts ago, it's a gray area in the rulebook. Maybe it's a, "When in my little part of Connecticut" thing. We've always been taught to call a travel if the player on the ground moves their body, not their arms, in any way that prevents defenders from grabbing the ball, like starting to roll over. If the player on the ground does anything else other than pass, shoot, start a dribble, request a timeout, or sit up, Connecticuters call a traveling violation every time.

Of course, the player could just lay there on the ground for up to seven minutes and fifty-nine seconds, if not closely guarded, but that's probably not going to happen in a real game.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

As Nevadaref stated many posts ago, it's a gray area in the rulebook. Maybe it's a, "When in my little part of Connecticut" thing. We've always been taught to call a travel if the player on the ground moves their body, not their arms, in any way that prevents defenders from grabbing the ball, like starting to roll over. If the player on the ground does anything else other than pass, shoot, start a dribble, request a timeout, or sit up, Connecticuters call a traveling violation every time.

Of course, the player could just lay there on the ground for up to seven minutes and fifty-nine seconds, if not closely guarded, but that's probably not going to happen in a real game.

That's how I see it, it really is a gray area.

Say, if you reffed a game in Port Arthur Texas, would you be a Connecticut referee on Port Arthur's court? Ouch.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Say, if you reffed a game in Port Arthur Texas, would you be a Connecticut referee on Port Arthur's court? Ouch.

Oh, well done.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by fullor30

That's how I see it, it really is a gray area.

Say, if you reffed a game in Port Arthur Texas, would you be a Connecticut referee on Port Arthur's court? Ouch.

Fullor30:

I think that Billy is being modest. It has never been a gray area in NBCUSC, NFHS, or NCAA Rules since I started officiating (1971-72). The simple fact of intentionally rolling one's body as described in the OP is traveling.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by fullor30

A Connecticut Referee on Port Arthur's Court?

Fabulous pun. Very creative.



Great book. Great author. Great movie, with Bing Crosby.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Girls varsity......

....I promised to email coach ruling........

Is this standard/accepted practice in your area?
In mine, if our assignor or executive director discovered that we were e-mailing HS coaches or AD's we'd be looking at a suspension, plus you can kiss any playoff assignments goodbye.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BballRookie

This is being written from a phone with a 12 hour old baby in the same hospital room. Our first.

Anyway, I have to agree with Nevada, too, as the rule clearly says rolling OVER. I also take that to mean a 180° swing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Is this standard/accepted practice in your area?
In mine, if our assignor or executive director discovered that we were e-mailing HS coaches or AD's we'd be looking at a suspension, plus you can kiss any playoff assignments goodbye.

IMS, fullor does not operate in an association/assigner system.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Is this standard/accepted practice in your area?
In mine, if our assignor or executive director discovered that we were e-mailing HS coaches or AD's we'd be looking at a suspension, plus you can kiss any playoff assignments goodbye.

Same here. Any communication between officials, and the schools we service, other than a simple game confirmation email, or a simple email inquiry about a late payment, must go through our local board secretary, or our local board assignment commissioner.

I got in trouble with this a few years ago. A rookie coach asked me after the game how his kids did in terms of sportsmanship, since it was one of his goals that season. I told him that they were great. He asked me to send his athletic director an email about it, which I stupidly did. My board secretary, and assignment commissioner, weren't too happy when they found out about it. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Man. I'll never make that mistake again.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Is this standard/accepted practice in your area?
In mine, if our assignor or executive director discovered that we were e-mailing HS coaches or AD's we'd be looking at a suspension, plus you can kiss any playoff assignments goodbye.

Executive director? What's that? Who do you work for? The Gestapo?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

IMS, fullor does not operate in an association/assigner system.

I have probably 7-8 assigners I get Varsity games from.

That said, I try and get DVD of game from coaches via email............much to do about nothing around here

[ga314ref]

...without rolling? If you roll, you have traveled, even if it's a cheek, and thank goodness for compression shorts -- all players should wear them.

[KJUmp]

[QUOTE=fullor30;805924]Executive director? What's that? Who do you work for? The Gestapo? [/QUOTE
Executive Director of the state high school athletic association. The governing body of all high school sports in our state.
They establish the rules and procedures regarding our expected conduct with coaches and ADs. You want to work....you follow the rules.

[fullor30]

[QUOTE=KJUmp;805955]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Executive director? What's that? Who do you work for? The Gestapo? [/QUOTE
Executive Director of the state high school athletic association. The governing body of all high school sports in our state.

I will say I don't email coaches to snuggle up to them for better ratings or favors. I've had rules questioned before by a coach and have told them I would provide it to them. I'm friendly with a couple of coaches and on occasion they've called or emailed me for some summer scrimmages. I've never heard of anyone being told not to email coaches or ADs in my area.

But like anything else, I just follow orders, so If IHSA said don't, I don't.