Scoring Error at End of Game (help with situation)

[constable]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Yes, it's from the IAABO manual.

Hmmm.. I can't find it in my manual...

page reference?

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...and the table crew actually observes you.

No, not the table crew. State assigned personnel.

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

What I want to know is: If NO official signaled a 3-pt field goal then why in the world did the Scoreboard Operator add three points to the score?

MTD, Sr.

MTD, I have no idea. I just got a copy of the game and watched the play. My partners didn't signal a 3 in any way and one of them "mirrored" a 2 when he saw me (but it was 10+ feet out of his primary). Absolutely no reason for the table to put up a 3, just shows they don't watch us like they should I guess......

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Can you post video of the play in question?

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Can you post video of the play in question?

I am not sure if I can, but I will try. It took 4 hours to download it from the link the coach shared with me. They use sportsfilmexchange.com so if you know how to post the video please let me know.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby"

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

Yup. They see every other call we make - travelling, blocking, etc. No need to 'hide' this one as well.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby"

I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

Bingo.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

Last second shot, 1-3-point game, shooter anywhere near 3-point line. I'm not going to play hide-n-seek with my mechanics. I want both coaches completely aware. Also want the game film to pick it up. That way IF the improper score gets recorded, as it was in this case, there is no doubt or discussion needed as to what we (the officials) ruled.

But like you said, to each his own.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Billy, I'm not seeing this in my book. This is an IAABO image?

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Yes, it's from the IAABO manual.

Originally Posted by constable

I can't find it in my manual, page reference?

As far as I know, this signal is only approved in Connecticut.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

You must have missed the old days.

I was there.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

It probably was a case of operator error where the scoreboard operator thought he put a two up there but it actually recorded three and no one noticed.

Eagle-the only way table height could've been an issue is if it was a shot from the wings closest to the table and everyone was screened out of a look at the signal for whatever reason.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Eagle-the only way table height could've been an issue is if it was a shot from the wings closest to the table and everyone was screened out of a look at the signal for whatever reason.

This is what I am meaning that if the table is court level, it can, at times, be hard to see officials' signals due to coaches or players being in the way.

We were running the table last year, in Gym 2, in the stands 2 rows up and there's a slightly different view of the court as you can look over players/coaches.

Now the table is court level opposite from the stands.

Same thing applies in Gym 1 depending on the level of the game being played, for the JH games the table is 2 rows up in the stands (same goes for C-squad only nights). majority of the time however the table is court level.

A possible solution for the OP would have been to pre-game with the table crew about watching the officials closely for the 3-pt. successful mechanic on those plays that are on the arc line.