Help a 1st year out... T's & intentionals

[Bird Dog]

NFHS...

Situation A: Ball is live in team A's possession and player B1 shoves A1 - neither who have the ball or are in a play for the ball or position - for no apparent reason.

Situation B: Same as above only contact happens after ball was whistled dead for an infraction or a foul.

Situation C: Same as Situaton B above (dead ball situation), only A1 had possession of the ball, and B1 was making attempt at the ball when the contact/shove occurred.

What's the correct call in each? Rules references too would help! I've seen each of the above more than once in middle school competitions.

Thanks in advance!!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

NFHS...

Situation A: Ball is live in team A's possession and player B1 shoves A1 - neither who have the ball or are in a play for the ball or position - for no apparent reason.

Situation B: Same as above only contact happens after ball was whistled dead for an infraction or a foul.

Situation C: Same as Situaton B above (dead ball situation), only A1 had possession of the ball, and B1 was making attempt at the ball when the contact/shove occurred.

What's the correct call in each? Rules references too would help! I've seen each of the above more than once in middle school competitions.

Thanks in advance!!

Check out 4-19...it should help you out.

[bainsey]

A: HTBT, but it sounds like an intentional foul.
B: Technical foul at least, could be flagrant.
C: Same as B. Nobody has possession of a dead ball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

NFHS...

Situation A: Ball is live in team A's possession and player B1 shoves A1 - neither who have the ball or are in a play for the ball or position - for no apparent reason.

Intentional foul...you can't call a technical foul for live ball contact

Situation B: Same as above only contact happens after ball was whistled dead for an infraction or a foul.

Intentional technical foul...dead ball contact that is either intentional or flagrant by rule is a technical foul

Situation C: Same as Situaton B above (dead ball situation), only A1 had possession of the ball, and B1 was making attempt at the ball when the contact/shove occurred.

You have to decide if the contact was intentional (excessive contact) or flagrant. If it's neither, than the contact is ignored...otherwise it's a technical foul just as it was in B.

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[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

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Intentional foul...you can't call a technical foul for live ball contact

...but you can certainly call a technical foul DURING a live ball.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Bird Dog

NFHS...

Situation A: Ball is live in team A's possession and player B1 shoves A1 - neither who have the ball or are in a play for the ball or position - for no apparent reason.

Situation B: Same as above only contact happens after ball was whistled dead for an infraction or a foul.

Situation C: Same as Situaton B above (dead ball situation), only A1 had possession of the ball, and B1 was making attempt at the ball when the contact/shove occurred.

What's the correct call in each? Rules references too would help! I've seen each of the above more than once in middle school competitions.

Thanks in advance!!

A: sounds like a common foul or, if the amount of contact is excessive, an intentional personal foul.

B: covering official must judge whether the contact is excessive (intentional technical foul or flagrant technical foul) or not ("knock it off"); in the latter case the rules say "contact is ignored," but it probably needs to be addressed informally at least.

C: there's no such thing as "making an attempt" at a dead ball, so that can't make any difference; the answer is the same as B.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...but you can certainly call a technical foul DURING a live ball.

You can call a technical foul during a live ball, but NOT, as APG stated for live ball contact. This thread is about when contact is a personal or technical foul. Your post is introducing a different (and possibly confusing) element to the discussion.

[Mregor]

Bird Dog - If you are looking for difference between Technical and Common, Intentional, and Flagrant, here's a quick breakdown.

Technical Foul - Non-contact live ball or a dead ball foul.
Fouls involving live ball contact are either common, intentional, or flagrant

As previously stated, contact during a dead ball can be ignored unless you rule it intentional or flagrant. There's more, but these are the basics.