Defender slaps ball out of inbounder's hands

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

she was holding it at her chest (ie not in the motion of throwing it in) both times. So it was behind the line.

If she was standing close enough to the line, holding it at her chest could leave part of the ball over the in bounds side of the line, but assuming the ball was completely OOB, Toren and Bob have answered.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If she was standing close enough to the line, holding it at her chest could leave part of the ball over the in bounds side of the line, but assuming the ball was completely OOB, Toren and Bob have answered.

I'm glad you didn't ask how big her chest was, that's a different forum

[ballgame99]

OK, cool, we T'd both of them up. So if part of the ball is over the line what is the call?

Both of these were not just the defender tapping or touching the ball, they both forcefully knocked it out of the inbounder's hands.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

OK, cool, we T'd both of them up. So if part of the ball is over the line what is the call?

Both of these were not just the defender tapping or touching the ball, they both forcefully knocked it out of the inbounder's hands.

7.6.4 SITUATION A: While attempting a throw-in, A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line. B1: (a) slaps the ball from A1’s hand(s); or (b) simply grabs the ball and then throws it through B’s basket. RULING: In (a), no violation has occurred and play continues. In (b), score two points for Team B.

[Adam]

If the ball is on the in bounds side, it's a legal play.

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If the ball is on the in bounds side, it's a legal play.

OK, what if part of the ball in inbounds and part is OOB and the defender slaps the ball on the inbounds side? A few years ago, I had this happen. I was told that if any part of the ball is OOB and any part of the ball is slapped (even the part that was inbounds), you make the call.

I guess it's part of the same thinking that caused the rule change this year about fouling the inbounders hands while they're over the court is the same intentional foul call as if the contact occurred with the part of their hand that was OOB. It's just too tough for the official to make that distinction.

Comments?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

OK, what if part of the ball in inbounds and part is OOB and the defender slaps the ball on the inbounds side? A few years ago, I had this happen. I was told that if any part of the ball is OOB and any part of the ball is slapped (even the part that was inbounds), you make the call.

Comments?

Isnt the ball either on the inbounds or out-of-bounds side of the plane?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner

OK, what if part of the ball in inbounds and part is OOB and the defender slaps the ball on the inbounds side? A few years ago, I had this happen. I was told that if any part of the ball is OOB and any part of the ball is slapped (even the part that was inbounds), you make the call.

I guess it's part of the same thinking that caused the rule change this year about fouling the inbounders hands while they're over the court is the same intentional foul call as if the contact occurred with the part of their hand that was OOB. It's just too tough for the official to make that distinction.

Comments?

It isn't really where the ball is that matters. It is where the defenders hands are.

If the defenders hands remain on the inbounds side of the plane, you have a legal play.

If the defenders hands cross through the plane, you have an illegal play. The penalty depends on what they touch while reaching through the plane. If the touch nothing, delay of game. If they touch the ball, technical foul. If they touch the thrower, intentional personal foul.

(Note that not reaching through the plane but touching the thrower has reached through...presumably with the ball....has also recently been declared an intentional personal foul. It doesn't make any sense, but that hasn't stopped the recent rules committees from making changes).

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It isn't really where the ball is that matters. It is where the defenders hands are.

If the defenders hands remain on the inbounds side of the plane, you have a legal play.

If the defenders hands cross through the plane, you have an illegal play. The penalty depends on what they touch while reaching through the plane. If the touch nothing, delay of game. If they touch the ball, technical foul. If they touch the thrower, intentional personal foul.

(Note that not reaching through the plane but touching the thrower has reached through...presumably with the ball....has also recently been declared an intentional personal foul. It doesn't make any sense, but that hasn't stopped the recent rules committees from making changes).

Sure it does. Before the change, the penalty for hitting the ball was more severe than the penalty for hitting the player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Sure it does. Before the change, the penalty for hitting the ball was more severe than the penalty for hitting the player.

What penalty for hitting the ball? It was LEGAL to hit the ball. Remember, the contact we're talking about is on the inbounds side of the line.

[ballgame99]

Wow. In all my years of playing/coaching and now reffing I did not know that. Thanks. I would imagine if that happened in live action coaches and fans would freak the freak out.

[tophat67]

So no warning on on the first time they do it? Warnings only on inbounds plane violations and not hitting the ball?

[Johnny Ringo]

What if the thrower has broken the plane with the ball and part of his/her arm.

In attempt to play the ball, the defender makes contact with throwers arm - which has broken the plane?

Is this an intentional foul or common foul?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tophat67

So no warning on on the first time they do it? Warnings only on inbounds plane violations and not hitting the ball?

No. A T or an IP foul is ALSO the first warning. If they then break the plane again (without hitting the ball / arm), it's another T.

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

What if the thrower has broken the plane with the ball and part of his/her arm.

In attempt to play the ball, the defender makes contact with throwers arm - which has broken the plane?

Is this an intentional foul or common foul?

Intentional

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If she was standing close enough to the line, holding it at her chest could leave part of the ball over the in bounds side of the line, but assuming the ball was completely OOB, Toren and Bob have answered.

Why does the ball have to be completely out of bounds? If the defender reaches through the plane and touches the part of the ball on that side, it is still a technical, is it not?