Did the rookies get this right?

[bob jenkins]

The arrow is changed when the AP throw-in ends.

The throw-in ends when the ball is touched on the court, or the inbounding team violates.

The throw-in does NOT end on a foul.

So, the first throw-in did not end, and the arrow should not be changed.

The second throw-in did end, and the arrow should be changed.

[Toren]

This is impressive for two rookies to get this right. Two solid calls.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Toren

This is impressive for two rookies to get this right. Two solid calls.

Yeah - one of them is a college freshman and the other a HS junior. They'll both be working a "competitive" MS program that starts next week. The assignor asked me to work with them last night and, overall, they both did a really good job. I worked one quarter with each of them, then let them work the second half together.

Oh yeah, neither of them called any reaches or over the backs. And yes, I made sure they both now know the first rule of officiating.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Oh yeah, neither of them called any reaches or over the backs.

But they called an "illegal screen". What made it illegal?

[APG]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

But they called an "illegal screen". What made it illegal?

Most likely a blocking foul.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Toren

This is impressive for two rookies to get this right. Two solid calls.

The one that impressed me the most was when a throw-in went OOB without being touched and the rookie brought it back to the original spot for the throw-in. I know a few veterans who don't get this one right.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Toren

This is impressive for two rookies to get this right. Two solid calls.

Yeah, the probability of flipping a coin to get both calls right is just 0.25!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The throw-in ends when the ball is touched on the court, or the inbounding team violates.

I think you meant...

The throw-in ends when the ball is LEGALLY touched, or the inbounding team violates.

A kick is not a legal touch and the throwin doesn't end on a kick. The arrow will be unchanged and the new throwin will be for the kick, not the AP.

Also, "on the court" has, at least in some contexts, been interpreted to be inbounds (see LGP rules). An OOB player touching the released throwin will have violated but it is not a throwin violation. That is considered to be a legal throwin that has ended....then a OOB violation occurred....arrow changes.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think you meant...

The throw-in ends when the ball is LEGALLY touched, or the inbounding team violates.

A kick is not a legal touch and the throwin doesn't end on a kick. The arrow will be unchanged and the new throwin will be for the kick, not the AP.

Also, "on the court" has, at least in some contexts, been interpreted to be inbounds (see LGP rules). An OOB player touching the released throwin will have violated but it is not a throwin violation. That is considered to be a legal throwin that has ended....then a OOB violation occurred....arrow changes.

Correct on both counts.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A kick is not a legal touch and the throwin doesn't end on a kick. The arrow will be unchanged and the new throwin will be for the kick, not the AP.

Hmmm...what if the kick is by the offensive team? Wouldn't that be a violation and therefore the arrow WOULD change since the inbounding team violated?

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Hmmm...what if the kick is by the offensive team? Wouldn't that be a violation and therefore the arrow WOULD change since the inbounding team violated?

I always took that to mean a throw-in violation...not just any violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I always took that to mean a throw-in violation...not just any violation.

NCAA specifically says "throw-in violation." Don't have my FED books handy to check, but I think it is (or interpreted as) the same.

[mtn335]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAA specifically says "throw-in violation." Don't have my FED books handy to check, but I think it is (or interpreted as) the same.

NFHS 4.42.5 (Emphasis mine)

The throw-in ends when:

(a) the passed ball touches or is legally touched by another player inbounds

(b) The passed ball touches ir is touched by another player out of bounds, except as in 7-5-7 [endline after score]

(c) The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation

[Toren]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I always took that to mean a throw-in violation...not just any violation.

By the wording of the rule 6-4-5 it doesn't specify. This might be one of those intent instances that some of our leadership can shed some light on.

At this point, I'm going change of arrow and the next throw in for Team B is for the kick by Team A.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

By the wording of the rule 6-4-5 it doesn't specify. This might be one of those intent instances that some of our leadership can shed some light on.

At this point, I'm going change of arrow and the next throw in for Team B is for the kick by Team A.

You need to look in the right spot -- 4-throw-in (4-42?) and see when it ends. I'm "certain" it says "throw-in violation."