Advice on how to handle mouthy players

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tomegun

how are any of those measurable?

Via definitions.

I stated earlier that I would add "imperative sentences" to the list of T-able offenses. I believe that's pretty clear cut. We should never tolerate orders from anyone on the floor.

Others have used profanity and other defined terms. Granted, there are variances among some of us as to what meets these terms, but for the most part, our general knowledge (particularly in your bit of Rome) knows what they mean.

There's also good ol' "common sense," a term that sometimes makes me cringe, because some people use it when they really mean, "how come everyone doesn't think like I do?" The reality is, though, common sense plays a big role in what we do. Some of the best officials I know embrace this concept.

Nearly everything in this game is defined. Was control met here? Did he travel there? We use our definitions as our measuring sticks, and it also plays a role in what we find T-able, too.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Via definitions.

OK, let me try again by putting this in the form of a statement instead of a question. While I do believe that there is a time and a place for what I would consider motivational conversation, the statement I was asking about means nothing to players when they are about to play a game. If someone violates one of those "respects" the official has no rule reference or penalty to use. Furthermore, my common sense tells me that most actions that can be related to these "respects" would really be unsporting acts. So - I'm going to use my common sense again - why not just say something about sportsmanship and be done? Maybe not as memorable or quotable, but simpler.

I can see it now..."Technical foul on blue forty two for not respecting his opponent." Now does that make (common) sense?

Having said all of that, a respect speech may fit the person who posted it's personality. But for someone else to say they are going to use it because is sounds good may not work.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by tomegun

If someone violates one of those "respects" the official has no rule reference or penalty to use. Furthermore, my common sense tells me that most actions that can be related to these "respects" would really be unsporting acts. So - I'm going to use my common sense again - why not just say something about sportsmanship and be done? Maybe not as memorable or quotable, but simpler.

While your common sense is helpful for your deduction, there is a specific rules reference (10-3-6(a)) and penalty for disrespectful actions toward oficials, and (c) addresses baiting and taunting.

[Ignats75]

Beat me to it.

I expected better from you Tomegun. You don't think we should have a captain's meeting?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Beat me to it.

I expected better from you Tomegun. You don't think we should have a captain's meeting?

Where did he say that?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Beat me to it.

I expected better from you Tomegun. You don't think we should have a captain's meeting?

I don't think he said that, but I don't think much (anything?) would change if we didn't.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think he said that, but I don't think much (anything?) would change if we didn't.

Me either. I consider it one of the least important moments I'm on the floor and I only do it because it's required of me. If it was made optional tomorrow, I'd never do one.

As far as tomegun's post -- none of this is measurable. Whether an act crosses the line is *always* subjective. I mean, even what I say is ridiculous, "I need one spokesperson from each team. (Pause to get that completely unnecessary information, although I'll ask the captain if they're ready before the jump.) You are the leaders on the floor. We expect good sportsmanship. Help us with your teammates or we'll have to get involved. Any questions?"

BTW, that's my entire captain's meeting these days. If it's over 20 seconds, my partners are going to let me know about it.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Me either. I consider it one of the least important moments I'm on the floor and I only do it because it's required of me. If it was made optional tomorrow, I'd never do one.

As far as tomegun's post -- none of this is measurable. Whether an act crosses the line is *always* subjective. I mean, even what I say is ridiculous, "I need one spokesperson from each team. (Pause to get that completely unnecessary information, although I'll ask the captain if they're ready before the jump.) You are the leaders on the floor. We expect good sportsmanship. Help us with your teammates or we'll have to get involved. Any questions?"

BTW, that's my entire captain's meeting these days. If it's over 20 seconds, my partners are going to let me know about it.

Thanks everyone for clearing this up - no, I didn't say we shouldn't have a captain's meeting. We are supposed to have one and we do it. However, Rich's post above speaks to what I feel. Some grand statement to the players means very little to nothing. Who cares about being quotable when the only people really listening are your partners?

The worst part of any game is everything we do before tip off. I try to stand there not looking bored and as un-militant as I can be, but I'm just suffering through all of that. The most excitement is if someone dunks and that isn't even really exciting; I just calmly ask for the player's number if they are wearing warm ups.