Shot Clock Re-set ?

[just another ref]

What normally happens when there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offense? Does the clock reset or not? I would think the officials would have to decide which came first, the held ball or the shot clock buzzer, and act accordingly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What normally happens when there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offense? Does the clock reset or not? I would think the officials would have to decide which came first, the held ball or the shot clock buzzer, and act accordingly.

It's not that simple. NCAA-M and NCAA-W have different rulings for this play so therefore any states using a shot clock for high school need to spell out how they want the play adjudicated:

A.R. 121. Player A1 attempts a try for goal and:
(2) After the try does not hit the ring or flange, it is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball. The shot-clock horn does not sound.

RULING: (2) Since the shot-clock horn has not sounded, there is no violation.

(Men) When the try for goal was unsuccessful, the try ended. When there is no team control and a live ball is simultaneously recovered for a held ball, the alternating-possession arrow shall be used to resume play with a reset of the shot clock.

(Women) The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the team who shot the ball.

(Rule 4-62, 9-11.1 and .2, 4-15.4.c, 6-3.1.a and 2-11.6.c)

BTW, I agree with the NCAA-W interpretation. If there were no held ball and Team A retained possession the shot clock wouldn't reset so I don't understand why the NCAA-M want a reset in the case of a held ball

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not that simple. NCAA-M and NCAA-W have different rulings for this play

This is no longer true.

(Men) When the try for goal was unsuccessful, the try ended. When there is no team control and a live ball is simultaneously recovered for a held ball, the alternating-possession arrow shall be used to resume play with a reset of the shot clock.

(Women) The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the team who shot the ball.

The Men's rule was changed this year to match the Women's rule.

Shot + No Rim + Held Ball with arrow to shooting team = No reset

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is no longer true.


The Men's rule was changed this year to match the Women's rule.

Shot + No Rim + Held Ball with arrow to shooting team = No reset

Thanks for the catch. Thought I had downloaded the newest Case Book.

[Scuba_ref]

Shot clock violation in both cases!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Shot clock violation in both cases!

Do you have any published rules for the shot clock in Washington?

chseagle would have posted them with is response.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

chseagle would have posted them with is response.

And I was hoping he would have...but since you asked here it is. We also have an online rules clinic, which I can't get to you, that addresses some shot clock situation.

DUTIES OF A SHOT-CLOCK OPERATOR
2009-10 Basketball Season

Art. 1

Use a 30-second shot clock for girls or a 35-second shot clock for boys.

Art. 2

Use the shot clock for the entire game, including extra periods, except when 30/35

seconds or less remain in the quarter or extra period, in which case the shot clock
shall be turned off.

Art. 3

Control a separate timing device with a horn that shall have a sound that is distinct

and different from that of the game-clock horn.

Art. 4 Have an alternate timing device available.

Art. 5 Start the timing device when a player in bounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in or when a team initially gains possession from a jump ball, an unsuccessful try for goal or a loose ball.

Art. 6

Stop the timing device and reset it:

a. When team control is re-established after the team loses possession of the ball;

b. When a foul occurs (Exceptions: Article 7.e)

c. When a held ball occurs (Exceptions: Article 7.d and .f);

d. When a try for goal strikes the ring or flange, or

A.R. 31. With the alternating-possession arrow favoring Team A and 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock, A1’s try for goal lodges between the backboard and the basket support.

RULING: Team A shall be awarded possession for a throw-in and the shot clock shall be reset.

e. When a violation occurs.

f. When an inadvertent whistle occurs and there was no player or team control at the time of the whistle.

Note: The mere touching of the ball by an opponent does not start a new shot-clock period

when the same team remains in control of the ball.

A.R. 32. A1 touches the ball that was thrown in by A2. The ball strikes the playing court and bounces until A3 gains control by dribbling. The shot-clock operator started the shot clock when A1 touched the ball. RULING: The operator was correct. Touching the ball initiates the start of the game clock in all cases and the shot clock except in a reset situation when there is less than 30/35 seconds in the quarter or extra period.

Art. 7

Stop the timing device and continue time without a reset when play begins under the following circumstances:

a. The ball is deflected out of bounds by a defensive player;

b. A player is injured or loses a contact lens;

c. A charged timeout has concluded; and

d. During team control as defined in Rule 4-12, a defensive player causes a held ball and the alternating-possession arrow favors the offensive team.

e. After a double personal foul, simultaneous personal foul or an inadvertent whistle when there is team control as defined in Rule 4-12 and as described in Rule 4-36.

A.R. 33. A1 is in the act of shooting and B1 attempts to defend the try. The official, in anticipation of a foul that was not committed, inadvertently blows his or her whistle (a) before the release of the ball; (b) after the try was in flight. A’s try for goal was unsuccessful. RULING: In (a), since A1 did not release the ball and was in control of the ball when the inadvertent whistle was blown, Team A shall be awarded the ball at a designated spot nearest to where the dead ball occurred with no reset of the shot clock. In (b), since A1’s try was in flight and there was not team control when the inadvertent whistle was blown, the ball shall be put back into

play at a designated spot nearest to where the dead ball occurred with the use of the alternating-possession arrow and the shot clock shall be reset. In (b) if the try for goal was successful, the inadvertent whistle shall be ignored and the team not credited with the score shall be awarded the ball at the end line with that team being entitled to run the end line.

f. After a simultaneous held ball as described in Rule 4-25 occurs during a throw-in and the alternating-possession arrow favors the throw-in team.

Note: The offensive team, upon regaining possession of the ball for the throw-in, shall have the unexpired time on the shot clock to attempt a try.

A.R. 34. A1 releases the ball on a try for goal, B1 partially blocks the shot and the ball (a) hits the ring or flange; (b) goes out of bounds; or (c) goes through the basket. RULING: In (a) and (c), the play is legal and the action shall continue. In (b), the official shall blow the whistle to stop play and the shot-clock operator shall stop but not reset the shot clock. On the ensuing throw-in by Team A, the game clock and shot clock shall start when the throw-in legally touches any player on the playing court.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Do you have any published rules for the shot clock in Washington?

chseagle would have posted them with is response.

I decided to be nice & let someone else post the WIAA Shot Clock regs.