new to the shot clock

[moose69]

Ok guys..just got an email from the camp director( i leave for York university on sat) and they are adding in a 30 sec. shot clock. These kids are midget aged(15-16, JV, whatever). So not only are these kids going to be inexperienced with the shot clock, but so are most of the officials. I, like most of the officials have never worked with a shot clock(highest i've done is competitive mens league,and varsity boys) but as you all know, fed rules don't have a shot clock.

Do you guys have any tips on how to work with these? any pointers that might make things easier?

any Canadian guys know anything about any CIS rule differences??

thanks so much

Tyler

[Mark Padgett]

Geez - a Canadian shot clock! Should I? Nah - it's too easy.

[ripian]

Well that depends on the game...

CIS men use NCAA Men's rules with the following...
- Subs at any time (including before the 1st of multiple FT)
- 2 minute blood rule
- 30 second shot clock

CIS woman play under FIBA rules

as for working with the shot clock, just be sure to take note of what the clock is showing when you've got a violation that will have the offence keep the ball. The clock should not reset. The 30 second operator (at least at the high schools that I work) are quick to reset the clock on the whistle.

Enjoy the camp!

[ripian]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Geez - a Canadian shot clock! Should I? Nah - it's too easy.

Just remember Mark.... it's all metric...

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ripian
Well that depends on the game...

CIS men use NCAA Men's rules with the following...
- Subs at any time (including before the 1st of multiple FT)
- 2 minute blood rule
- 30 second shot clock

CIS woman play under FIBA rules

as for working with the shot clock, just be sure to take note of what the clock is showing when you've got a violation that will have the offence keep the ball. The clock should not reset. The 30 second operator (at least at the high schools that I work) are quick to reset the clock on the whistle.

Enjoy the camp!

Yeah, this is very good advice. Get in the habit of looking
at the game clock & the shot clock on dead balls. Also,
don't be shy about correcting shot clock operators that
reset it too early, late, or what have you. Go over the
shot clock rules & situations at the table prior to the
game, they will appreciate it! Be aware as it winds down, a
common thing is shot-buzzer-rim. This is not a violation
but it will confuse the kids (and the refs too! ).
As I think about it a big operator error is to start the
shot clock before the throw-in after a made basket. Make
sure they dont start it until there's possesion after the
throw in.

[BktBallRef]

The shot clock will actually make you a better official. You'll be more aware of the shot clock than you ever have before.

[moose69]

i should have clarified. everything is fed except for the cis shot clock.

TR

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ripian


as for working with the shot clock, just be sure to take note of what the clock is showing when you've got a violation that will have the offence keep the ball. The clock should not reset.

So you're saying that if the defense kicks the ball, the shot clock isn't reset?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ripian
Well that depends on the game...

CIS men use NCAA Men's rules with the following...
- Subs at any time (including before the 1st of multiple FT)
- 2 minute blood rule
- 30 second shot clock...

Okay, I'll bite...

What is the 2 minute blood rule!?!?!?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
So you're saying that if the defense kicks the ball, the shot clock isn't reset?

Good point, Tony. I think that's the only one, tho. He was referring, of course, to a ball being tapped OOB by the defense, or a held ball which the offense will retain. But your point is well-taken.

Chuck

[ripian]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

So you're saying that if the defense kicks the ball, the shot clock isn't reset?

a kicked ball, ball struck with a fist, injured player on the defence (including lost contact lens) are all shot clock resets. I was trying to keep it as simple as possible for moose seeing as he's never worked with a shot clock.

Basically they only times that the shot clock will not reset and the offence keeps the ball is if...
- the defence knocks the ball out of bounds
- there is an AP situation and the offence keeps the ball
- there is a timeout called
- the offence is assessed a Technical Foul.

There are a couple of more cases where the team is control keeps the ball but does not get a reset on the clock (i.e. double foul) but I think that these are the 4 ones to remember.

[ripian]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Okay, I'll bite...

What is the 2 minute blood rule!?!?!?

The long and the short of it is in the university men's game, if a player is bleeding a coach will be given 2 minutes to see if the bleeding can be stopped with no penalty. I belive that the player will need to be replaced after the 2 minutes and the team is assessed a time out but I'm not sure. I know this is a modification from the NCAA men's rules and I don't agree with it but that is what the Canadian universities have come up with.

[moose69]

well, we're playing fed rules, except the shot clock so hopefully we won't have to worry about that real funny stuff..

Tyler

[rpirtle]

Originally posted by ripian

a kicked ball, ball struck with a fist, injured player on the defence (including lost contact lens) are all shot clock resets. I was trying to keep it as simple as possible for moose seeing as he's never worked with a shot clock.

Basically they only times that the shot clock will not reset and the offence keeps the ball is if...
- the defence knocks the ball out of bounds
- there is an AP situation and the offence keeps the ball
- there is a timeout called
- the offence is assessed a Technical Foul.

There are a couple of more cases where the team is control keeps the ball but does not get a reset on the clock (i.e. double foul) but I think that these are the 4 ones to remember.

Is an injured player (or lost contact lens) a reset now? I was not aware of this. I officiated HS ball in CA up until about 3 years ago and we used a shot clock (30 secs. for boys/35 secs. for girls). The above were not resets in CA at the HS level at that time. I also did some college ball at Div II & III and Juco levels. The above were not resets at these levels either. Is this a regional thing? Has there been a rule change with respect to shot clocks? I now officiate in TX and we do not use shot clocks in HS. I only know of the following 4 reset reasons...

1. Intentional kick
2. Hit with fist
3. Foul
4. Shot hits rim

Sure could use some updated info. Thanks.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rpirtle
I only know of the following 4 reset reasons...

1. Intentional kick
2. Hit with fist
3. Foul
4. Shot hits rim

Sure could use some updated info. Thanks.

5. Change of possession (including a made basket).

I know, there's that smart-@$$ side of me again. Or is that the nit-picking side? I can't tell.

Chuck