Shot Clock Re-set ?

[bd41flpk]

I know that the NFHS does not officially have a shot-clock rule. However, my state - NY does have it in place for some regions. Hence, the questions below:

Scenario #1: A1 takes a 'try' (shot) at the basket and B1 blocks the shot on the way up. As the ball comes down both A2 and B2 simultaneously grab the ball resulting an an AP situation (Team A has the arrow). At the same time the 'shot clock' goes off for a violation. Results: Give Team A the ball and a new shot clock?

Scenario #2: A1 takes a 'try' (shot) at the basket and does not hit the rim. As the ball comes down both A2 and B2 simultaneously grab the ball resulting an an AP situation (Team A has the arrow). At the same time the 'shot clock' goes off for a violation. Results: Give Team B the ball since there was a 'shot clock' violation and keep the arrow to Team A?

Answers and what rule are appreciated.

[just another ref]

What normally happens when there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offense? Does the clock reset or not? I would think the officials would have to decide which came first, the held ball or the shot clock buzzer, and act accordingly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What normally happens when there is a held ball and the arrow favors the offense? Does the clock reset or not? I would think the officials would have to decide which came first, the held ball or the shot clock buzzer, and act accordingly.

It's not that simple. NCAA-M and NCAA-W have different rulings for this play so therefore any states using a shot clock for high school need to spell out how they want the play adjudicated:

A.R. 121. Player A1 attempts a try for goal and:
(2) After the try does not hit the ring or flange, it is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball. The shot-clock horn does not sound.

RULING: (2) Since the shot-clock horn has not sounded, there is no violation.

(Men) When the try for goal was unsuccessful, the try ended. When there is no team control and a live ball is simultaneously recovered for a held ball, the alternating-possession arrow shall be used to resume play with a reset of the shot clock.

(Women) The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the team who shot the ball.

(Rule 4-62, 9-11.1 and .2, 4-15.4.c, 6-3.1.a and 2-11.6.c)

BTW, I agree with the NCAA-W interpretation. If there were no held ball and Team A retained possession the shot clock wouldn't reset so I don't understand why the NCAA-M want a reset in the case of a held ball

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's not that simple. NCAA-M and NCAA-W have different rulings for this play

This is no longer true.

(Men) When the try for goal was unsuccessful, the try ended. When there is no team control and a live ball is simultaneously recovered for a held ball, the alternating-possession arrow shall be used to resume play with a reset of the shot clock.

(Women) The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the team who shot the ball.

The Men's rule was changed this year to match the Women's rule.

Shot + No Rim + Held Ball with arrow to shooting team = No reset

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is no longer true.


The Men's rule was changed this year to match the Women's rule.

Shot + No Rim + Held Ball with arrow to shooting team = No reset

Thanks for the catch. Thought I had downloaded the newest Case Book.

[Scuba_ref]

Shot clock violation in both cases!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bd41flpk

I know that the NFHS does not officially have a shot-clock rule. However, my state - NY does have it in place for some regions. Hence, the questions below:

Scenario #1: A1 takes a 'try' (shot) at the basket and B1 blocks the shot on the way up. As the ball comes down both A2 and B2 simultaneously grab the ball resulting an an AP situation (Team A has the arrow). At the same time the 'shot clock' goes off for a violation. Results: Give Team A the ball and a new shot clock?

Scenario #2: A1 takes a 'try' (shot) at the basket and does not hit the rim. As the ball comes down both A2 and B2 simultaneously grab the ball resulting an an AP situation (Team A has the arrow). At the same time the 'shot clock' goes off for a violation. Results: Give Team B the ball since there was a 'shot clock' violation and keep the arrow to Team A?

Answers and what rule are appreciated.

I don't see that there's any substantial difference between the two plays, so the ruling would (I hope) be the same.