Missed it

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you didn't see the contact, and it didn't affect the play, I wouldn't call it. Double that if you would have to pull the call from your partner's area. Some plays, we have to trust our partner had a better look.

Contact may be contact regardless of effect, but effect normally determines whether it's a foul. Look at the definition of incidental contact.

There are exceptions to this, but that's why they are exceptions.

The human eye isn't quick enough to see a poke to the eye, but if one happens it's pretty obvious. I'm calling a foul. I've probably done this 5 times in the last 7-8 years and nobody's said a word about it.

In 2-person, I've had several times where players will come into my primary where I'm the lead and will go over a foot/leg. It's obvious that this has happened even though I didn't see leg clipping other leg. I'm not talking about someone going down on their own going around a corner sharply, either. This probably happens a handful of times a season and, again, calling that foul yielded the right results -- missing that foul would've yielded worse results.

Anyone who says they only *ever* call what they see and never guess, not even a little bit, is, IMO, being a little short of honest. I do my best on OOB calls, for example, but not every one of those on the end line is an obvious call because of the proximity and the speed of the ball going out. Sometimes the best thing you can give them is an educated guess.

That said, the OP's play is different. There's an official there, the ball's not in the OP's primary, and for all the OP knows, the primary saw the play and decided it wasn't a foul. That's different. Trust your partners unless there's an elephant on the court.

[Adam]

Agreed, but wrt the OP, I'd have a hard time calling something in someone else's primary that I didn't see and didn't affect the play.
You're right, they're exceptions.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Sometimes the best thing you can give them is an educated guess.

"The best bad call is a really strong bad call." (Our local interpreter)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Trust your partners unless there's an elephant on the court.

Great line. Don't forget to include the four hundred pound gorilla.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There are exceptions to this, but that's why they are exceptions.

The human eye isn't quick enough to see a poke to the eye, but if one happens it's pretty obvious. I'm calling a foul. I've probably done this 5 times in the last 7-8 years and nobody's said a word about it.

In 2-person, I've had several times where players will come into my primary where I'm the lead and will go over a foot/leg. It's obvious that this has happened even though I didn't see leg clipping other leg. I'm not talking about someone going down on their own going around a corner sharply, either. This probably happens a handful of times a season and, again, calling that foul yielded the right results -- missing that foul would've yielded worse results.

Anyone who says they only *ever* call what they see and never guess, not even a little bit, is, IMO, being a little short of honest. I do my best on OOB calls, for example, but not every one of those on the end line is an obvious call because of the proximity and the speed of the ball going out. Sometimes the best thing you can give them is an educated guess.

That said, the OP's play is different. There's an official there, the ball's not in the OP's primary, and for all the OP knows, the primary saw the play and decided it wasn't a foul. That's different. Trust your partners unless there's an elephant on the court.

Amen!! +1

2 person game you're the T & theres a quick steal at midcourt. The 16 year old is going hard to the basket from the right side of the court, you're on the left side & he tries to put it up with the right. You're clearly behind the play & the defender swipes for the ball (a) both of the the shooters hands come straight up or (b) the left hand goes up partially but the right hand doesn't & the body pulls opposite of the direction he driving. Ruling?


Sometimes you HAVE to make an educated guess. You would be surprised at how many educated guesses based on principles the worlds best make on a night to night basis. Our eyes cannot see everything that happens on the court. After all, our eyes only see what our mind tellls them we should be looking for. Gotta have a "feel for the game!"

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There are exceptions to this, but that's why they are exceptions.

The human eye isn't quick enough to see a poke to the eye, but if one happens it's pretty obvious. I'm calling a foul. I've probably done this 5 times in the last 7-8 years and nobody's said a word about it.

In 2-person, I've had several times where players will come into my primary where I'm the lead and will go over a foot/leg. It's obvious that this has happened even though I didn't see leg clipping other leg. I'm not talking about someone going down on their own going around a corner sharply, either. This probably happens a handful of times a season and, again, calling that foul yielded the right results -- missing that foul would've yielded worse results.

Anyone who says they only *ever* call what they see and never guess, not even a little bit, is, IMO, being a little short of honest. I do my best on OOB calls, for example, but not every one of those on the end line is an obvious call because of the proximity and the speed of the ball going out. Sometimes the best thing you can give them is an educated guess.

That said, the OP's play is different. There's an official there, the ball's not in the OP's primary, and for all the OP knows, the primary saw the play and decided it wasn't a foul. That's different. Trust your partners unless there's an elephant on the court.

Amen!! +1

2 person game you're the T & theres a quick steal at midcourt. The 16 year old is going hard to the basket from the right side of the court, you're on the left side & he tries to put it up with the right. You're clearly behind the play & the defender swipes for the ball (a) both of the the shooters hands come straight up or (b) the left hand goes up partially but the right hand doesn't & the body pulls opposite of the direction he driving. Ruling?


Sometimes you HAVE to make an educated guess. You would be surprised at how many educated guesses based on principles the worlds best make on a night to night basis. Our eyes cannot see everything that happens on the court. After all, our eyes only see what our mind tellls them we should be looking for. Gotta have a "feel for the game!"