Player control on a throw in?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Player control foul.



It matters, ever so slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

Here in the Land that is round at both ends and hi in the middle we use the same signal for both: hand behind the head, followed by the directional signal.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

Do you indicate a block signal when the foul was really a push? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

Do you indicate an illegal dribble signal when the violation was really a travel? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

I know that these are nit-picking, "academic", questions, but isn't one function of the Forum to educate?

Except in this case, if you punched or do the stupid player control signal, you're still technically right with either...you know if you want to go that route.

[APG]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

A thrower reaches out to clear space....this sounds intentional not common and therefore not PC.

Why does it have to be intentional? Players try to clear out space all the time and we're not trying the X's up. In fact, I'd say that 9/10, if this situation were to actually present itself, it wouldn't be an intentional foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

Do you indicate a block signal when the foul was really a push? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

Do you indicate an illegal dribble signal when the violation was really a travel? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

I know that these are nit-picking, "academic", questions, but isn't one function of the Forum to educate?

A signal is not a penalty.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And the free throws are why Snaqs is correct. An airborne shooter is not covered by the team control foul rule. Without the player control foul, a "try, release, crash" could result in a 1-and-1 for the defender. So even with the team control foul at your disposal, you still need the player control foul.

Still the same penalty for the two fouls whenever they can currently be called. And if they merged them into one, the airborne shooter exception would be blended into the team control foul.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still the same penalty for the two fouls whenever they can currently be called.

But that's not what you said earlier.

And if they merged them into one, the airborne shooter exception would be blended into the team control foul.

Perhaps, but again, that's not what you said. You said:

Once the team control foul was instituted, the player control foul really became unnecessary.

And not to be overly anal, but that's just not true. Even after the team control foul was instituted, there was a situation remaining that was a player control foul, which was NOT a team control foul. That's my only point, and it's the point that I think Snaq was making when he correctly said "Almost".

[Adam]

Scrapper is right. That was my point.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But that's not what you said earlier.


Perhaps, but again, that's not what you said. You said:

And not to be overly anal, but that's just not true. Even after the team control foul was instituted, there was a situation remaining that was a player control foul, which was NOT a team control foul. That's my only point, and it's the point that I think Snaq was making when he correctly said "Almost".

And my point was that splitting them into two separate names serves no benefit because the very same exception that is tacked on the the player control foul for an airborne shooter could just as easily be tacked onto the team control foul. Having both is not necessary at all. The PENALTY remains the same

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

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Here in the Land that is round at both ends and hi in the middle we use the same signal for both: hand behind the head, followed by the directional signal.

No we do NOT use both signals in Buckeye Land. What the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman (an OhioHSAA Adminstrator who shall remain nameless) has ruled: That the OhioHSAA will not follow the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart concerning the correct signal for Team Control Fouls. This decision was made at the start of the 2009-10 year, the first year the TCF signal was added to the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart.

The OhioHSAA wants its officials to use only Signal #34 for all Team Control Fouls, both Player Control Fouls and non-PCF TCFs. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman's reasoning for this blatant deviation from the Signals Chart is that and I quote: "It would be confusing to the Scorer."

I am going to stop now.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. To my knowledge, the OhioHSAA did not seek permission of the NFHS to deviate from the Official Signals Chart.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No we do NOT use both signals in Buckeye Land. What the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman (an OhioHSAA Adminstrator who shall remain nameless) has ruled: That the OhioHSAA will not follow the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart concerning the correct signal for Team Control Fouls. This decision was made at the start of the 2009-10 year, the first year the TCF signal was added to the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart.

The OhioHSAA wants its officials to use only Signal #34 for all Team Control Fouls, both Player Control Fouls and non-PCF TCFs. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman's reasoning for this blatant deviation from the Signals Chart is that and I quote: "It would be confusing to the Scorer."

I am going to stop now.




P.S. To my knowledge, the OhioHSAA did not seek permission of the NFHS to deviate from the Official Signals Chart.

Mark, didn't say OHSAA uses both. I said we use the same signal for both (PC andTC) hand behind the head which is, as you said, signal #34. (for all those officials who memorize signal #'s)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Mark, didn't say OHSAA uses both. I said we use the same signal for both (PC andTC) hand behind the head which is, as you said, signal #34. (for all those officials who memorize signal #'s)

Which is a deviation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Mark, didn't say OHSAA uses both. I said we use the same signal for both (PC andTC) hand behind the head which is, as you said, signal #34. (for all those officials who memorize signal #'s)

DOH!!

MTD, Sr.


P.S. But I am sure you get the feeling that I am not happy with a certain OhioHSAA Administrator who shall not be named.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rex 876

Thanks for nothing dude.

I am trying to get clarification.

I don't believe there is player control for a throw in, just team control.

Do you have an opinion? a rule reference?

Rex:

Read Post #29 of this thread. I wrote it and will answer your question.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rex:

Read Post #29 of this thread. I wrote it and will answer your question.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, it's spam. He just quoted terrapin to post his web link.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark, it's spam. He just quoted terrapin to post his web link.

DOH!!! See what happens when you become a sexagenaian. LOL

MTD, Sr.