Player control on a throw in?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I don't believe there is player control for a throw in, just team control. Rule reference?

Some, on this Forum, have stated that a player is in control while holding, or dribbling, a live ball, inbounds. I can't find a rule reference for inbounds, but I'm sure an esteemed member will be moseying along soon to give us the correct citation.

How about a twist? Inbounder A1, while holding the ball out of bounds, preparing for a throwin, reaches across the boundary and pushes B2, who is inbounds, to create more space. Player control foul?

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Some, on this Forum, have stated that a player is in control while holding, or dribbling, a live ball, inbounds. I can't find a rule reference for inbounds, but I'm sure an esteemed member will be moseying along soon to give us the correct citation.

How about a twist? Inbounder A1, while holding the ball out of bounds, preparing for a throwin, reaches across the boundary and pushes B2, who is inbounds, to create more space. Player control foul?

Doesn't matter...you aren't shooting free throws.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Doesn't matter...you aren't shooting free throws.

What if A1, OOB for a throw in, attempts a jump shot. His momentum takes him onto the court where he crashes into B1 before landing....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What if A1, OOB for a throw in, attempts a jump shot. His momentum takes him onto the court where he crashes into B1 before landing....

Doesn't matter...you aren't shooting free throws.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Doesn't matter...you aren't shooting free throws.

Sorry, I was doing a celebrity imression. It seems to have fallen flat.

[BktBallRef]

Flat as a flitter.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Inbounder A1, while holding the ball out of bounds, preparing for a throwin, reaches across the boundary and pushes B2, who is inbounds, to create more space. Player control foul?

Player control foul.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Doesn't matter, you aren't shooting free throws.

It matters, ever so slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

[kwatson]

If I am reading the rule correctly it would be team control with no shots. NFHS

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Inbounder A1, while holding the ball out of bounds, preparing for a throwin, reaches across the boundary and pushes B2, who is inbounds, to create more space.

Originally Posted by kwatson

If I am reading the rule correctly it would be team control with no shots. NFHS

Why not a player control foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why not a player control foul?

Does it really matter....they're penalized EXACTLY the same. Once the team control foul was instituted, the player control foul really became unnecessary.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Does it really matter....they're penalized EXACTLY the same. Once the team control foul was instituted, the player control foul really became unnecessary.

Almost

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Does it really matter, they're penalized EXACTLY the same.

Slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

Do you indicate a block signal when the foul was really a push? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

Do you indicate an illegal dribble signal when the violation was really a travel? "They're penalized EXACTLY the same".

I know that these are nit-picking, "academic", questions, but isn't one function of the Forum to educate?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Player control foul.



It matters, ever so slightly. Are you going with the hand behind the head signal (player control), or the one hand punch signal (team control)?

Here in the Land that is round at both ends and hi in the middle we use the same signal for both: hand behind the head, followed by the directional signal.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by billyu2

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Here in the Land that is round at both ends and hi in the middle we use the same signal for both: hand behind the head, followed by the directional signal.

No we do NOT use both signals in Buckeye Land. What the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman (an OhioHSAA Adminstrator who shall remain nameless) has ruled: That the OhioHSAA will not follow the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart concerning the correct signal for Team Control Fouls. This decision was made at the start of the 2009-10 year, the first year the TCF signal was added to the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart.

The OhioHSAA wants its officials to use only Signal #34 for all Team Control Fouls, both Player Control Fouls and non-PCF TCFs. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman's reasoning for this blatant deviation from the Signals Chart is that and I quote: "It would be confusing to the Scorer."

I am going to stop now.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. To my knowledge, the OhioHSAA did not seek permission of the NFHS to deviate from the Official Signals Chart.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

No we do NOT use both signals in Buckeye Land. What the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman (an OhioHSAA Adminstrator who shall remain nameless) has ruled: That the OhioHSAA will not follow the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart concerning the correct signal for Team Control Fouls. This decision was made at the start of the 2009-10 year, the first year the TCF signal was added to the NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Signals Chart.

The OhioHSAA wants its officials to use only Signal #34 for all Team Control Fouls, both Player Control Fouls and non-PCF TCFs. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee Chairman's reasoning for this blatant deviation from the Signals Chart is that and I quote: "It would be confusing to the Scorer."

I am going to stop now.




P.S. To my knowledge, the OhioHSAA did not seek permission of the NFHS to deviate from the Official Signals Chart.

Mark, didn't say OHSAA uses both. I said we use the same signal for both (PC andTC) hand behind the head which is, as you said, signal #34. (for all those officials who memorize signal #'s)