Ignore time out?

[bainsey]

While you should indeed inform a coach that he has no timeouts left, isn't it ultimately the coach's responsibility to know that?

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

While you should indeed inform a coach that he has no timeouts left, isn't it ultimately the coach's responsibility to know that?

It's required.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

While you should indeed inform a coach that he has no timeouts left, isn't it ultimately the coach's responsibility to know that?

The requirement is the scorer to inform the coach through the official. If they do not tell you then you may not tell them. But I have yet to have a game where the coaches did not know their status or did not have easier access than the officials. That is why they have 10 assistant coaches in the first place right?

Peace

[chseagle]

If that is the situation, the R could request a new scorer. Anyone at the table can be replaced if they misapply a rule concerning their duties/responsibilities.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The requirement is the scorer to inform the coach through the official. If they do not tell you then you may not tell them. But I have yet to have a game where the coaches did not know their status or did not have easier access than the officials. That is why they have 10 assistant coaches in the first place right?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If that is the situation, the R could request a new scorer. Anyone at the table can be replaced if they misapply a rule concerning their duties/responsibilities.

Did you really comment about this? Seriously?

I do not care if they tell me or not, the coach better know their situation with all their assistant coaches they have on their bench.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did you really comment about this? Seriously?

I do not care if they tell me or not, the coach better know their situation with all their assistant coaches they have on their bench.

Peace

One of the duties/responsibilities of the scorer is to:

NOTIFY THE NEARER OFFICIAL WHEN:
1. The bonus penalty is in effect for the seventh, eighth and ninth
team foul in each half. The bonus display indicates a second free
throw is awarded for all common fouls (other than player-control)
if the first free throw is successful. The proper bonus panel, such
as (H for home and V for visitor) shall be displayed after the
penalty for the sixth team foul has been administered. Another
method is to activate a light or device nearest the basket of the
team which is to receive the bonus.
2. The tenth team foul occurs each half. Thereafter, the bonus
(second free throw) is awarded for a common foul (except playercontrol)
whether or not the first is successful.
3. Any player is charged with his or her fifth foul (personal or tech -
nical), the second technical foul is charged to any team member,
bench personnel, directly to the head coach, or the third technical
foul is charged to the head coach.
4. Either team has been granted its allotted charged time-outs or an excess time-out.
5. The ball is dead or in control of offending players team if:
a. Player has not reported.
b. Player’s number changed.
c. Player is illegally in game.
6. The ball is dead, if there is a score dispute or doubt about an
official’s decision.
7. Any player enters while wearing an illegal number.
8. The ball is dead and the clock is stopped or running, if the coach
requests that a correctable error as in 2-10, or a timing, scoring
or alternating-possession mistake be prevented or rectified.

So the scorer is also supposed to notify the nearest official when the team has no more time outs left.

True, being there is little time left in the game there is not much sense in replacing the official scorer.

Also if the HC or the AC/s are not keeping track of their own TOs, it's on them for requesting excess TOs.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

One of the duties/responsibilities of the scorer is to:

So the scorer is also supposed to notify the nearest official when the team has no more time outs left.

True, being there is little time left in the game there is not much sense in replacing the official scorer.

Also if the HC or the AC/s are not keeping track of their own TOs, it's on them for requesting excess TOs.

I am probably more aware of what the rule is than you are. And why I am about to even respond I will never know.

But the point is if they do not tell you this, are we supposed to remove them near the end of the game? What world are you living in? Do we get rid of a scorer after the T is to be given? If they do not tell you, then what are you going to do? We grant timeouts when they are asked for. We do not sit around and make sure they tell us or if you have other concerns with your partner (which is common near the end of any game) officials are not always looking for the timeout count. Honestly I do not care and almost never do. They have coaches that know they called timeout. I joke about them having 10 coaches, but it is not unusual for there to be 5 coaches with many programs I officiate, so when they use timeouts or certainly use timeouts someone already knows. No different as to how they seem to know how many fouls a player has or if they are about to foul out. Most of the time when a player fouls out, the coach somehow already knows. I am not going to go through a process of removing a person because they might have been making sure other things are in order with the book and they happen to not tell me when a team has run out or if they are low.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am probably more aware of what the rule is than you are. And why I am about to even respond I will never know.

But the point is if they do not tell you this, are we supposed to remove them near the end of the game? What world are you living in? Do we get rid of a scorer after the T is to be given? If they do not tell you, then what are you going to do? We grant timeouts when they are asked for. We do not sit around and make sure they tell us or if you have other concerns with your partner (which is common near the end of any game) officials are not always looking for the timeout count. Honestly I do not care and almost never do. They have coaches that know they called timeout. I joke about them having 10 coaches, but it is not unusual for there to be 5 coaches with many programs I officiate, so when they use timeouts or certainly use timeouts someone already knows. No different as to how they seem to know how many fouls a player has or if they are about to foul out. Most of the time when a player fouls out, the coach somehow already knows. I am not going to go through a process of removing a person because they might have been making sure other things are in order with the book and they happen to not tell me when a team has run out or if they are low.

Peace

You respond because of liking to engage in constructive arguments??

Nowhere did I say automatically replace, I said could replace.

I, did however, retract by saying that being so close to the end of the game, it would not make much sense to ask for a replacement.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What world are you living in?

He's living in a world where the rule explicitly states that the scorer has a responsibility to inform the coach through the official when a team has used all its allotted time outs. And the same world where, if an official determines that a scorer misapplies a rule or just plain doesn't know what they're doing, they can be replaced by the official.

That may not be the way you would do things, but that doesn't change the fact that it's in the rule book.

You seriously need to ease up. The guy brought up a legitimate point, and you're throwing a hissy fit over it.

Would I ever replace the scorer in this instance? No, but that doesn't mean it's not right there in the rules. So why are you blowing him off with such vehemence?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If that is the situation, the R could request a new scorer. Anyone at the table can be replaced if they misapply a rule concerning their duties/responsibilities.

Long answer: No.