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A) Held ball by 2 opposing players 0 0%
B) Ball loges between backboard and rim 5 38.46%
C) Double free throw violation 8 61.54%
D) Officials cannot decide possession on out of bounds 0 0%
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2011, 05:41pm
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Couldn't (D) also be correct, if the out of bounds occurred during a jump ball before possession was established?
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2011, 05:50pm
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This is a piss-poor written question. I'd hope it'd get tossed out after review. All of those situations could come up and not require use of the AP is certain situations.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2011, 06:15pm
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Here is the way the question appears on the exam. It includes an (E) as well.

An alternating-possession throw-in results in all of the following situations, EXCEPT:
a. All double fouls.
b. A live ball lodges between the backboard and the ring.
c. Simultaneous free-throw violations
d. A held ball.
e. A live ball comes to rest on the flange.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2011, 06:31pm
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That's how it looks on my exam. Still horrible wording, but the answer is obvious.
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Old Fri Nov 04, 2011, 07:27pm
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By that argument, C is also the correct answer. If the double FT violation happens on the first of multiple shots, it will not be an AP situation, you move on to the next shot(s)...as I think you're alluding to in the rest of your reply.

Furthermore, and by the same argument, A is also correct because it is not an AP situation when, on the jump ball, the ball is held by two opposing players before either team gains control to start the AP procedure. It is a held ball where 2 players will rejump, not AP.

This question is horribly written because you have to make an assumption about the game situation in order to get the right answer....is it a jump ball, first of multiple FTs, a throw-in, or general live ball. Normally, you are expected to assume that it is a general live ball (do not read too much into the question). However, in that case, no answer is correct.
I agree it's not a well written question, but the first (well, second) thing I thought of when reading it was the difference between a double FT violation (which is an undefined term) and a simultaneous violation. Maybe the question was written when the rule changed a few years ago and was designed to test the new rule.
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Old Sat Nov 05, 2011, 12:59am
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You think that's vague...

...try this one:

"If a throw-in is legally touched, 2-points shall be awarded."
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Old Sat Nov 05, 2011, 07:54am
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Here is the way the question appears on the exam. It includes an (E) as well.

An alternating-possession throw-in results in all of the following situations, EXCEPT:
a. All double fouls.
b. A live ball lodges between the backboard and the ring.
c. Simultaneous free-throw violations
d. A held ball.
e. A live ball comes to rest on the flange.
Then the answer would be "A".
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Old Sat Nov 05, 2011, 10:32am
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Then the answer would be "A".
I agree. The use of the word "ALL" sets it apart and makes it the choice for me. But, the question still sucks.
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I agree. The use of the word "ALL" sets it apart and makes it the choice for me. But, the question still sucks.
Exactly, because there are exceptions to all of the answer choices that don't result in an AP throwin and their are scenarios where a double foul would result in an AP throwin.
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Okay, let's agree. The question sucks.
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BTW - I stand corrected: This test is the WOA (Washington Officials Association) State test.
It is the WOA test and at our meeting last week we received a revised copy of the question:

Which is NOT an Alternating Possession situation?
A. Held ball by 2 opposing players
B. Ball lodges between backboard and rim
C. B1 and A2, who are both in one of the marked lane spaces, come into the lane while free throw try is the air and B1 enters first.
D. Officials cannot decide possession on out of bounds

I copied the question and answers exactly...so don't kill me for the outstandingly poor writing of the new option C. This new version of the question is now part of the online exam.
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Old Sat Nov 05, 2011, 11:34pm
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Which do you think the answer is?
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It is the WOA test and at our meeting last week we received a revised copy of the question:

Which is NOT an Alternating Possession situation?
A. Held ball by 2 opposing players
B. Ball lodges between backboard and rim
C. B1 and A2, who are both in one of the marked lane spaces, come into the lane while free throw try is the air and B1 enters first.
D. Officials cannot decide possession on out of bounds

I copied the question and answers exactly...so don't kill me for the outstandingly poor writing of the new option C. This new version of the question is now part of the online exam.
Well, at least one of those is clearly the right answer now since it is never an AP.
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Old Sun Nov 06, 2011, 08:06am
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Rule 9-2-8.
The thrown ball shall not become lodged between the backboard
and ring or come to rest on the flange before it touches or is touched by another
player.
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The thrown ball shall not become lodged between the backboard and ring or come to rest on the flange before it touches or is touched by another player.
Also known as the "wedgie" rule.
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