IPAD on the Bench

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What the heck does this have to do with anything? I am not going on a date, I am working a game. And not being the Referee I have very little interaction with them at all.



Good for you, but as stated before not everyone uses them or gets them or even knows this book exists. None of this information means anything anyway if the people working have no clue what they are doing.

Peace

Good rapport between table & floor officials: all are there to ensure the game goes smoothly as to game management. Clear communication is available.

If the information in the appendices were read and followed, there would be less chance of those working table being clueless.

I didn't even post anything under 4.0.3 Training the Table Officials which is what you're saying is irrelevant. It would become relevant if it was followed.

[chseagle]

Back on topic:

How often do you see bench personnel with a computer/tablet during the game?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Good rapport between table & floor officials: all are there to ensure the game goes smoothly as to game management. Clear communication is available.

If the information in the appendices were read and followed, there would be less chance of those working table being clueless.

I didn't even post anything under 4.0.3 Training the Table Officials which is what you're saying is irrelevant. It would become relevant if it was followed.

You're talking out of your a$$. There are thousands and thousands of high schools across this country, which means there's tens of thousands of table officials. We run into incompetent table officials more often than you can possibly imagine. You can have all the "good rapport" in the world and and print all the appendices you want. It's not going to prevent Mary Jo Trainee Honey from texting her boyfriend when she should be paying attention to the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You're talking out of your a$$. There are thousands and thousands of high schools across this country, which means there's tens of thousands of table officials. We run into incompetent table officials more often than you can possibly imagine. You can have all the "good rapport" in the world and and print all the appendices you want. It's not going to prevent Mary Jo Trainee Honey from texting her boyfriend when she should be paying attention to the game.

Nowhere did I state it would be a foolproof solution.

I've been able to cease cell phone activity at the table before, it's not that hard to do if it is enforced that those working table must have their full focus on the game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Nowhere did I state it would be a foolproof solution.

Whether you said it or not, you always have an answer. You don't seem to understand that not every scoring table issue can be solved by your methods. None of us have all the answers.

I've been able to cease cell phone activity at the table before, it's not that hard to do if it is enforced that those working table must have their full focus on the game.

That's great. I can stop it too, once I see it occur. I can even talk about it in the pre-game. But kids are kids and some are just going to do what they want to not matter what is said.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Good rapport between table & floor officials: all are there to ensure the game goes smoothly as to game management. Clear communication is available.

If the information in the appendices were read and followed, there would be less chance of those working table being clueless.

I didn't even post anything under 4.0.3 Training the Table Officials which is what you're saying is irrelevant. It would become relevant if it was followed.

What are you living in, Fantasy land? No one gives a darn about rapport with people that still do not know how to do their job.

I do not care what the damn book says if the people you claim should read it have no idea what that is. Just like many coaches do not know what a rulebook looks like, I think even less table people even know what an Official's Manual is, let alone what the NF is. Do you know how many cheat sheets or guidelines many of has seen over the years. I even know officials that give the table a little sheet to cover guidelines and they still screw up basic stuff. Again if table people would not screw up basic stuff like the darn possession arrow, then maybe I would have more faith in their ability to start and stop a clock appropriately outside of the game clock. You cannot be that ignit can you?

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What are you living in, Fantasy land? No one gives a darn about rapport with people that still do not know how to do their job.

I do not care what the damn book says if the people you claim should read it have no idea what that is. Just like many coaches do not know what a rulebook looks like, I think even less table people even know what an Official's Manual is, let alone what the NF is. Do you know how many cheat sheets or guidelines many of has seen over the years. I even know officials that give the table a little sheet to cover guidelines and they still screw up basic stuff. Again if table people would not screw up basic stuff like the darn possession arrow, then maybe I would have more faith in their ability to start and stop a clock appropriately outside of the game clock. You cannot be that ignit can you?

Peace

Did no one get my message about going back on topic concerning iPads being present on the bench?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Did no one get my message about going back on topic concerning iPads being present on the bench?

You don't get to decide what people post, partner. It's a discussion board, which means people will discuss what they want to.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Did no one get my message about going back on topic concerning iPads being present on the bench?

Did you get the message this is an officiating site, not one for scorekeepers and timers? When that happens then I will worry about what you want to talk about.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did you get the message this is an officiating site, not one for scorekeepers and timers? When that happens then I will worry about what you want to talk about.

Peace

I don't think it will ever come to this for me......

Now, back on topic!

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Did you get the message this is an officiating site, not one for scorekeepers and timers? When that happens then I will worry about what you want to talk about.

Peace

Technically 2.1 states that table personnel are officials. The Table Officials are present to assist the game officials.

So if the state says no electonic devices that can transmit/receive are allowed on the bench, then 10.1.3 disallows the coach and other bench personnel from even having a cell phone on his/her personage.

But then an individual's interpretation may vary.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Did no one get my message about going back on topic concerning iPads being present on the bench?

I'm sure everyone who cares saw it.

It would be great if (almost) everyone who works the table took it more seriously. That's not going to happen. Especially at lower level games, the table crew might be picked just a few minutes before the game.

It would also be good if one person who works the table took it less seriously.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Back on topic:

How often do you see bench personnel with a computer/tablet during the game?

Originally Posted by chseagle

Did no one get my message about going back on topic concerning iPads being present on the bench?

No.

Two brides, one stone.

[rockyroad]

I had the same exact scenario last season (towards the end of the season). Assistant coach sitting on bench with an I-Pad. He said "But I'm just using if to take stats!" Told him I didn't care, that it had the capability to transmit and receive and he couldn't use it.

They "protested" the game...the local Association passed that on to the state. State said that the officials were correct in not allowing it to be used.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I had the same exact scenario last season (towards the end of the season). Assistant coach sitting on bench with an I-Pad. He said "But I'm just using if to take stats!" Told him I didn't care, that it had the capability to transmit and receive and he couldn't use it.

They "protested" the game...the local Association passed that on to the state. State said that the officials were correct in not allowing it to be used.

That sounds as if there is to be no transmission devices or electronic devices on the bench whatsoever.