IPAD on the Bench

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yeah. Like shot clocks.

I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

Agree completely. Definitely would be a competency issue, for tables and officials. I know 90% of the HS officials in my area would screw it up regularly.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Probably, but if they allowed the shot clock to be used, and they could still allow it to be used by state adoption, there would be numerous situations of misapplication and at this time no replay to correct those mistakes as we possibly have at the college levels.

Peace

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Agree completely. Definitely would be a competency issue, for tables and officials. I know 90% of the HS officials in my area would screw it up regularly.

Concerning competency of table operations, if the guidelines in Appendix 4 of the Officials Manual would be followed, there would be less chance of errors happening.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning competency of table operations, if the guidelines in Appendix 4 of the Officials Manual would be followed, there would be less chance of errors happening.

Most HS table personnel don't know there is even such thing as an Official's Manual.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Most HS table personnel don't know there is even such thing as an Official's Manual.

Very true, also more than likely most table personnel do not know about the rule book.

I've noticed over the past couple of years, that I'm the only table personnel that has reference materials present at the table.

One of the recommendations is that the table personnel read http://www.nfhs.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=5180 "Instructions to & duties of scorer & timer for basketball games", yet how many actually do read it?

Concerning shot clock operations, there are similar documents available. However the best way to learn is by doing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning competency of table operations, if the guidelines in Appendix 4 of the Officials Manual would be followed, there would be less chance of errors happening.

If they are screwing the shot clock up in college ball (mostly lower level college I am talking bout), you really think some snot nosed kid is going to get this right at the HS level? And there are a lot of directives or literature to make sure those rules are followed and they are often not followed by many that run that clock. I think HS would be a nightmare.

Peace

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If they are screwing the shot clock up in college ball (mostly lower level college I am talking bout), you really think some snot nosed kid is going to get this right at the HS level? And there are a lot of directives or literature to make sure those rules are followed and they are often not followed by many that run that clock. I think HS would be a nightmare.

Peace

As per Appendix 4 in the Official's Manual, page 85:

4.0.2 Selection of Scorer and Timer:
A. Adults: A high school student or one of last year's graduates will have the interest and enthusiasm but may lack poise, impartiality, and judgment.
B. Experience: Choose someone who has had some playing, coaching, or officiating experience.
C. Faculty: If faculty men or women are available for these jobs, they usually do the best work, although it is not a guarantee.
D. Reliable: Choose men or women who can and will be present at every home game. It may be an honor to act as scorer or timer, but it's not an honor that should be passed around with each game.
E. Good Judgment: Above all, choose someone with plenty of poise, good judgment, a sense of impartiality, and one who you are sure will be able to forget the score and concentrate instead on the job.

As the above states, "snot-nosed" kids do not belong at the table.

Concerning shot clock operation, those times I'm doing it, I feel like a bobble head, but that is because I am continually watching the ball. I only average about 2 requested resets a season due to missing something that I should not have. I realize I make mistakes, and I am willing to learn from those mistakes.

Shot clock is not that hard to do, just have to pay attention to the game closely and where the ball is (table wise).

[Raymond]

NCAA-M just posted a memorandum reminding everyone that iPads are prohibited from being on the bench, even if just used to keep stats:

...While the keeping of statistics on a computer or iPad may seem innocent enough and may not fall completely within the parameters of these restrictions, any exception to permit the keeping of statistics would be difficult if not impossible to enforce since the same equipment could be used to send and receive information...

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

This is what I've heard too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This is what I've heard too.

I do not think the two things have to be mutually exclusive.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think the two things have to be mutually exclusive.

Peace

I think it's a combination of three things:

1) $$$$
2) Timing errors / training
3) Since (most) schools can't recruit, if they feel the best chance to win is to slow the game down, they should be allowed to do so. "Entertainment" is not the issue it is in NCAA / pro.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think the reality is they are trying to avoid constant mistakes that you see on many levels in college with the shot clock. I do not see that as a technology issue rather than an application issue.

Peace

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is not a technology issue or an application issue, it is $$$$ issue.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think it's a combination of three things:

1) $$$$
2) Timing errors / training
3) Since (most) schools can't recruit, if they feel the best chance to win is to slow the game down, they should be allowed to do so. "Entertainment" is not the issue it is in NCAA / pro.

Back in April at the Basketball Rules Committee, they did revisit the idea of adding the adoption of the shot clock.

Struckhoff said the committee again discussed requiring the use of a shot clock in high school basketball, as it has done for several years, but the committee did not approve the proposal.

“Even though there’s growing interest in using a shot clock, the general sense from the committee is that the time isn’t right,” Struckhoff said. “Given the current economic climate, it would be difficult for schools to comply with a rule requiring purchasing new equipment and hiring additional table personnel.”

At last check there are 8 states that have adopted the shot clock. Those eight states are: California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Dakota, South Dakota, Rhode Island and Washington.

Read more: What states have a shot clock in high school basketball