team control foul

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know that you responded to Mark Padgett's post, but that still does not solve your problem because in NFHS and NCAA rules, no where will you find an mentiona of an "offensive foul".

While this is true, IMHO it's really just a matter of semantics (unlike an "over the back" foul, which actually communicates false information). We could remove the definitions of "player control foul" and "team control foul" and add a definition for "offensive foul", which would include:

1) player control fouls;
2) team control fouls; and
3) common fouls committed by the throw-in team during the period between the start of the throw-in and either team gaining control.

If we did that, NOTHING in the game would change. I am usually ready to agree with anyone who wants to promote proper verbiage in officiating. In this case, I think, the proper verbiage says the same thing as the "slang".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

We could remove the definitions of "player control foul" and "team control foul" and add a definition for "offensive foul"....

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul. They'd have a valid point, too, as that team on that end of the floor is still considered to be on offense.

Player/team control determine more rules than just fouls. The more fans that knew about player/team control, the better we'd all be. Stick with control.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul. They'd have a valid point, too, as that team on that end of the floor is still considered to be on offense.

Player/team control determine more rules than just fouls. The more fans that knew about player/team control, the better we'd all be. Stick with control.

I think most people actually think of rebounding fouls as loose ball fouls...just like in the NBA, and expect free throws regardless of whom gets fouled.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The flaw here, as BayState pointed out, is that too many people think of a rebounding foul (while there's no team control) by the offensive team as an offensive foul.

I don't mean to come across as merely contradictory, but I just disagree. I think APG's comment below is actually closer to the truth:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I think most people actually think of rebounding fouls as loose ball fouls...just like in the NBA, and expect free throws regardless of whom gets fouled.